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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatestorm View Post
    To me, the widest misconception out there, by players and developers alike, is that people on legacy servers run around farting golden clouds of gil. There is more gil on legacy servers, yes. Most of it is concentrated in the hands of a very few super rich and RMT bank accounts. The rest of it? That's gill we EARNED. By PAYING for a subscription in 1.0, and EARNING that gil with our time and effort. It STILL has been hacked to 10 percent of what it was, and it's STILL being deemed 'too much' by the powers that be?

    The fact that they are using CONTENT in the game as a means of wealth equalization is unbelievable to me. They have no right! We earned that gil in the first place! Why do they think they are entitled to charge us more, for the same exact content, just because we HAVE more?

    And finally, as I said above, all of that is speaking generally. Concretely, so many legacy players have no more and no less gil than on non-legacy servers; especially those who chose to create new characters on legacy servers to play with friends. They are now being punished unfairly simply by association.

    I'm getting tired of this trend that the players are having to take it on the chin for this game's problems. Server latency? Fix it, not zoom out. You've got RMT? I'm so sorry for you, do something to stop it. There are rich players in game? Who cares? It's not the developer's jobs to be great socialist equalizers, its their job to deliver content to their players.

    Start doing it.
    Housing is supposed to be a prestige thing and pricing was just calculated based on total server wealth.
    Small guilds that aren't bloated with gil aren't supposed to be able to afford the gigantic mansion on a scenic cliff

    that's why there are so many lower end houses and the entry level housing is affordable on any server including legacy.
    What would be the point of even having different sizes and locations if anyone could get the best of the best with minimal effort?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihility View Post
    that's why there are so many lower end houses and the entry level housing is affordable on any server including legacy.
    O.O

    40 million is affordable??
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrystWildkey View Post
    O.O

    40 million is affordable??
    Maybe for the FCs with members and gil pouring from their orifices.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDaemon View Post
    Maybe for the FCs with members and gil pouring from their orifices.....
    Seriously ^^

    I'm rapidly losing all patience with people who don't see a problem with housing prices just because they are on a cheaper server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDaemon View Post
    Maybe for the FCs with members and gil pouring from their orifices.....
    FC who can buy a small land for 40m are too big for this small land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    FC who can buy a small land for 40m are too big for this small land.
    A couple people have retorted with: You can afford the small house. That is barely a studio apartment. 30-40 people would be miserable in a small home. The pricing on housing is based on an economy where it's incredibly tough to make gil at a decent rate. Due to SE's fuck up with the HQ crafting leves the over-abundance of 50 crafters has made the market a joke, and the average player is now being reprimanded due to the hoarders wallets.

    I've seen groups the last 2 weeks selling turn 5 wins for 35 million, but we are not ready to give up those weapons yet as we just started acquiring them ourselves 3 weeks ago.
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    I could understand the prices if there were actual physical pieces of land they were selling. The prices are simply cruel. 20 million gil for a dilapidated shack on Skid Row puts it hopelessly out of reach. And that's just for the land, can't forget all the other price barriers they put in the way. I simply don't understand why they would put such a barrier in the way of the fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarletyoshi View Post
    I could understand the prices if there were actual physical pieces of land they were selling. The prices are simply cruel. 20 million gil for a dilapidated shack on Skid Row puts it hopelessly out of reach. And that's just for the land, can't forget all the other price barriers they put in the way. I simply don't understand why they would put such a barrier in the way of the fun.
    This is Yoshi we are talking about...it wouldn't be "fun" unless a 40ft tall wall stood in your way and the only means of ascending it was your toothbrush from middle school....

    And yes, part of the "fun" is to go and find your long lost tooth brush from middle school, GOOD TIMES!!!
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    Post 9 above by Nihility is an excellent example of missing the point of why many people are upset. I am going to demonstrate how:


    Quote Originally Posted by Nihility View Post
    Housing is supposed to be a prestige thing and pricing was just calculated based on total server wealth.
    First, you have no idea that housing was supposed to be a prestige thing. That's what you've assumed. Sed contra, most of us have assumed that it would be relatively accessible, due to the "4-5 players pooling their gil after leveling a single job to 50" quote that has been posted on every one of these threads. Add to this the way they've been selling it so hard in every trailer and live letter since. The implication for most of us was that housing was supposed to be accessible content that everyone could participate in relatively quickly.

    Second, its precisely the fact that prices were calculated based on total server wealth that is the problem. It's disconnected from the average wealth of an average player.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nihility View Post
    Small guilds that aren't bloated with gil aren't supposed to be able to afford the gigantic mansion on a scenic cliff

    that's why there are so many lower end houses and the entry level housing is affordable on any server including legacy.
    First, nobody said that small guilds are entitled to mansions. Don't attack arguments nobody is making. Secondly, the entry level housing is not affordable on many servers. Especially for smaller role playing free companies, who in many ways coveted this content more than anyone.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nihility View Post
    What would be the point of even having different sizes and locations if anyone could get the best of the best with minimal effort?
    Fair enough. But with respect to legacy servers, the issue is that the devs are actively working to overcome an advantage (more total gil on legacy worlds) that those legacy players legitimately acquired, by playing longer. Which seems unfair. You don't have to go all the way to "legacy servers deserve mansions on day 1" to say "it seems unfair that legacy players and non-legacy players on legacy worlds are being penalized for................... what? For playing the game longer.
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