Can somebody explain why this WOULDN'T balance WHM/SCH?

[Nofacekiller]

2.1 really put the nerf bat onto WHM. And buffed SCH.

If they are going to encroach on our AOE healing niche (which is really situational due to only a small number of fights needing strong AOE heals), then they need to buff our single target healing a bit.

We need an emergency off the GCD skill to save tanks that IS NOT on a 5 minute CD, that doesn't cause us to spend any more mana.

How to do it? Rework Stoneskin.


New Stoneskin:

-Instant Cast

-Off the GCD

-20s CD

-places a debuff preventing the target from receiving another stoneskin for 20s (prevents WHM stacking)

-costs no mana

-All these changes are tied to the Graniteskin Trait that WHMs exclusively get

If you really think about it, this will fix a lot of the problems WHM has. SCH can still handle prebuffing the raid with their stoneskin.

[indira]

need to bring back the version 1 WHM.

[Nofacekiller]

Bump. Would really like to see more opinions.

[HunkyJimpjorps]

I'm having trouble seeing how a WHM's heals providing the exact same HOT output is a nerf, much less a major one.

SCHs still have very modest group healing ability. Your niche is secure, buddy.

[Nofacekiller]

I'm having trouble seeing how a WHM's heals providing the exact same HOT output is a nerf, much less a major one.

SCHs still have very modest group healing ability. Your niche is secure, buddy.

Heal per second is nerfed. How can you mathematically argue against that?

Moreover, fights typically require somewhat rapid healing before the next AOE is executed, and 30s is a long time, possibly requiring an additional cast of medica, or just forgoing using Medica 2 period and casting back to back Medicas.

[cainejw]

Why is it that every single Stoneskin suggestion must have it be free cost in every single way with absolutely no downtime?

WHM are still AOE and burst specialists. 5% on Lustrate will not change that. Quit trying to whine your way to an "I win" button.

Heal per second is nerfed. How can you mathematically argue against that?

Moreover, fights typically require somewhat rapid healing before the next AOE is executed, and 30s is a long time, possibly requiring an additional cast of medica, or just forgoing using Medica 2 period and casting back to back Medicas.

Easy, you still get the same healing from Medica II, you just get it over a longer period. You also have Cure III which hits in an area larger than Shadowflare for more than Medica. In Twintania, you can now use Cure III (at Adlo's cost) to put out more healing than you could with Medica or Medica II. You're gaining more healing from Cure III than Lustrate's 5% could ever make up.

Stop demanding you get 2 steps ahead of scholar at all times.

[Mazi]

Heal per second is nerfed. How can you mathematically argue against that?

It last longer meaning instead of having to refresh it you can just use a Medica I instead durring that time.

[Velox]

need to bring back the version 1 WHM.

Blissful Mind please

[Nofacekiller]

Why is it that every single Stoneskin suggestion must have it be free cost in every single way with absolutely no downtime?

WHM are still AOE and burst specialists. 5% on Lustrate will not change that. Quit trying to whine your way to an "I win" button.

No downtime? Do you really think a boss can't chew through stoneskin in 20s? You sound ridiculous right now bro.


18% stoneskin = I win button

25% lustrate = fine?


I wouldn't even be making this argument if Medica 2 were not nerfed. But it's how it is.


EDIT: the reason why it's free cost is because WHM already has a tighter mana pool than SCH. SCH also gets FREE healing from their fairy. But you conveniently forget to complain about that.

[HunkyJimpjorps]

Heal per second is nerfed. How can you mathematically argue against that?

Moreover, fights typically require somewhat rapid healing before the next AOE is executed, and 30s is a long time, possibly requiring an additional cast of medica, or just forgoing using Medica 2 period and casting back to back Medicas.

Why not use both? Medica II at the start, then Medica if necessary?

The fact that WHMs even have multiple no-cooldown AOE healing options is an advantage in that situation. SCHs have Succor, which sucks MP, provides a fairly low direct healing output, and becomes very wasteful if you cast it more than once without people taking damage in the interim, and Whispering Dawn, which is tied to Eos and is hard to rely on since it's a pet ability with a 60s cooldown. Even a stretched-out Medica II is still a better tool for sustained group damage than either of those.