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  1. #101
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    cainejw's Avatar
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    Mysidia Baron
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    Quote Originally Posted by SchalaZeal View Post
    No, personal housing should be more accessible, and include some form of storage. FC housing is prestige stuff for many who contribute. Personal housing is convenient stuff for people who aren't lazy. I bet large personal housing won't exceed 15 million on a large plot (at least for my server, where large FC is 100-125 mil).
    Except that FC housing has no real function outside of "Ooh, pretty." Unless you mean showing off how awesome you are to other people...then you're just creating elitism and a system of haves and have nots.
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  2. #102
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    SchalaZeal's Avatar
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    Schala Zeal
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    Quote Originally Posted by cainejw View Post
    Except that FC housing has no real function outside of "Ooh, pretty." Unless you mean showing off how awesome you are to other people...then you're just creating elitism and a system of haves and have nots.
    How would it be elitism if it serves no function? Elitism is being "relic+1 i90 gear ONLY", not "pretty vanity people only". If it serves no purpose, then not having it shouldn't give you a heart attack.

    Bots have all but destroyed most of the materials markets, and with everyone finishing gearing their alts out, the market is flooded with tomestone items. It's been a real struggle to make anything at all in the last month or so. And after this announcement, the markets have seriously gone into a free fall.
    Diversification my dear, this is key. If shards are down the dumps, find good items. Look at the market at items that sell for decent profit, at a decent pace, and that don't have 500 people trying to compete for it. 2-star items is the worst given the fluctuation of the tome items worth. Do other stuff. I can make 2-star stuff, and yet I don't except on request (where I get my 15k tip on top of the mats) or for my own usage.
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    Last edited by SchalaZeal; 12-16-2013 at 05:15 AM.

  3. #103
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    Psychosamm's Avatar
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    Kaya Solimar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SchalaZeal View Post
    No, personal housing should be more accessible, and include some form of storage. FC housing is prestige stuff for many who contribute. Personal housing is convenient stuff for people who aren't lazy. I bet large personal housing won't exceed 15 million on a large plot (at least for my server, where large FC is 100-125 mil).
    I say this because i think they would rather have people get FC houses easily opposed to personal housing, simply because i doubt their server could handle thousands of instances from the million of individual houses, at least initially.
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  4. #104
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    LiadansWhisper's Avatar
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    Liadan Summerfield
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvokerKeii View Post
    Is it wrong for me to have envisioned you giving that speech while standing in front of a giant waving american flag with the national anthem playing in the background?
    Yes. :-P

    There is 0 reason in this game to be an elitist. Elitist Jerks in this game make me giggle, because it's so incredibly dumb.

    Quote Originally Posted by Black91CRX View Post
    I agree that maybe it is a ploy to get all rich people in the game to let go of their money. It would help revive the market boards.
    How?

    No, seriously - how?

    How will this revive Marketboards when the bulk of the gil is being taken out of the economy? Who the ever-loving hell is going to buy the items on the Marketboards when no one has any gil?! And those that do have gil, that can buy houses, they comprise a tiny percentage of the overall server population. So if 1-5% of the server are the only ones needing furniture, who the hell is going to be buying anything? Those that have the gil already have the trades in-house to make it themselves. I mean, seriously...

    Quote Originally Posted by Faedden View Post
    That's expecting to get it easily.
    It's a feature. It should be gotten relatively easily. But...even then, how is any of this easy? I don't know how the economy is on your server, but while Balmung's is one of the stronger ones (from speaking to my friends on other servers, anyway), our economy is in no way healthy. Bots have all but destroyed most of the materials markets, and with everyone finishing gearing their alts out, the market is flooded with tomestone items. It's been a real struggle to make anything at all in the last month or so. And after this announcement, the markets have seriously gone into a free fall.
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    Last edited by LiadansWhisper; 12-16-2013 at 05:10 AM.

  5. #105
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    Eddard Moore
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    Quote Originally Posted by cainejw View Post
    expected it to be affordable and accessible to all
    That's expecting to get it easily. Why is everyone expecting to get the best house so easily? The other sizes are affordable, everyone seems to be up in arms about the large house for large fcs.
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  6. #106
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    Dianoia's Avatar
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    I won't say the name, but there was an MMO where these mounts were obtainable and were available to anyone, but were incredibly time consuming to grind out. People who got them were probably a little crazy or had a little too much time on their hands, but it was an optional thing to the story, optional thing to progression, so it wasn't like it hampered other people's gameplay.

    I enjoy this kind of content, because I'm a little crazy and I have a little too much time on my hands. There should be diversity in the available content and, right now, there isn't. It's not white-knighting, it's purely opinion. You can rage all you want that SE isn't spoon-feeding you something, but know that that's your opinion and some of us disagree. Also, be aware that, as OP stated, if you like easily obtainable, 99.9% of this game is already designed for you, so you are advocating that the .1% of content some of us wackos like be beaten with a nerf bat for your ez mode pleasure.
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    Last edited by Dianoia; 12-16-2013 at 05:15 AM.

  7. #107
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    Tridus1x's Avatar
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    Yay not having access to something you pay monthly to fund. Great logic.
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  8. #108
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    Edge Faire
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    Mateus
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    This isn't "anti-casual," it's a long-term goal.

    Long-term goals are good for everyone, not just "duper herdcurr rurders" who consider the majority of the playerbase as thumb-sucking babies. I prefer to play with casual players. Casual players tend not to be elitist a**holes who want nothing but to stroke their own egos because they have something others do not on a video game.

    Getting rich isn't challenging. It just requires time and long-term effort. You obtain Gil from pretty much everything you do, whether it is crafting, hunting, questing, or dungeoneering. People who have more time to play will get rich faster. That's pretty much all it takes.

    This update isn't good because it's not casual friendly. It's good because now people have something to strive for.
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    Last edited by yoshikwalla; 12-16-2013 at 05:18 AM.

  9. #109
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    Kaya Solimar
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    Adamantoise
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoshikwalla View Post
    This isn't "anti-casual," it's a long-term goal.

    Long-term goals are good for everyone, not just "duper herdcurr rurders" who consider the majority of the playerbase as thumb-sucking babies. I prefer to play with casual players. Casual players tend not to be elitist a**holes who want nothing but to stroke their own egos because they have something others do not on a video game.

    Getting rich isn't challenging. It just requires time and long-term effort. You obtain Gil from pretty much everything you do, whether it is crafting, hunting, questing, or dungeoneering. People who have more time to play will get rich faster. That's pretty much all it takes.

    This update isn't good because it's not casual friendly. It's good because now people have something to strive for.
    Or, you know, not strive for because the prices are absolutely absurd.
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  10. #110
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    Ethir Ohtar
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper View Post
    Yes. :-P
    Bots have all but destroyed most of the materials markets, and with everyone finishing gearing their alts out, the market is flooded with tomestone items. It's been a real struggle to make anything at all in the last month or so. And after this announcement, the markets have seriously gone into a free fall.
    You made money by selling item? Where that money come from ? other players; where other players earn money from ? according to your logic ? Sell item....... The same amount of money circulates around, around and around. How about earning money the way the game design.

    I don't get you people; Everything must be easy: We can't make friend to form group - SE spoon feeding duty finder -, we want to level fast - SE spoon feeding mountain of Fates -, We want to obtain end game items fast - SE spoon feeding tombs fall from the sky -, Relic quest is too hard - SE spoon feeding complete series of duties -.
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