Someone call the cops!

[Sinth]

Visited general discussion for the first time today and all I see is people complaining about loot lockout and weekly lockouts. Better call the cops, maybe they can take SE's gun away from your heads requiring your subscription.

This just in, if you don't enjoy the game you don't have to play it!

So if you don't like tomatoes and you go to your favorite sandwich shop, order a sandwich that comes with tomatoes. Do you ask them for no tomatoes in the future or do you stop going to the restaurant altogether?

This just in: This thread is hypocritical, childish, white-knight dribbel.

[Randalthor]

So if you don't like tomatoes and you go to your favorite sandwich shop, order a sandwich that comes with tomatoes. Do you ask them for no tomatoes in the future or do you stop going to the restaurant altogether?

This just in: This thread is hypocritical, childish, white-knight dribbel.

You are going to stop visiting the shop if you keep asking for no tomatoes and they keep putting tomatoes on your sandwich. If the next time I went in, they made my sandwich right, then I would stay.

I've been waiting for SE to make my sandwich right for a few months now and for every step they take forward to accomplishing that, they take 2 steps back (removed tomatoes, and added pickles for example).

[Tupsi]

You are going to stop visiting the shop if you keep asking for no tomatoes and they keep putting tomatoes on your sandwich.

However, you won't have people inside of said shop yelling at you to accept everything the shop offers you without complaint.

[Makado]

A sandwich shop is designed for options, a multimillion dollar company releasing a game with their own design is not.

[DoctorPepper]

You're right, a multimillion dollar game shouldn't have to utilize one of the most boasted about features in the game. It's totally fair that people with alternate characters have an advantage over somebody leveling multiple jobs on the same character as intended by the armory system. It's wonderful that several people in FCs are being benched because their FC members who already have a 8 man static can't run the content again to help them out and that you don't get to experience a different form of gameplay for the best content in the game without making an additional character more than once a week.

Are you serious with this crap? If you don't know why people are complaining then you're just being ignorant. It's one thing to disagree, it's another to tell people they shouldn't play because they don't think the game is perfect when it's not. Maybe we should stop giving them feedback all together, I'm sure they'll figure out everything on their own. Right..?

[Crankysorc]

If you don't speak up for what you dislike, it won't be changed. The forums are currently full of the same threads on like three topics.
The devs are much more likely to recognize these are issues than if there was only a single thread with no other complaints.
It's obvious that many players are upset and if SE wants to be a good company, they'll recognize this and fix future content to make the players happy.
It's wrong of them to have made the armoury system one of their main selling points at release, and then make it impossible to play all those characters at end game; and then for mid tier, too.

I don't know why people keep encouraging mass amounts of players to quit funding a game they also play any time they raise their concerns. You do realize that if everybody left over being upset over one thing, they'd probably just turn off servers since no one was playing, right?

[C-croft]

I don't know why people keep encouraging mass amounts of players to quit funding a game they also play any time they raise their concerns. You do realize that if everybody left over being upset over one thing, they'd probably just turn off servers since no one was playing, right?

Because a business thrives off the income it brings in. By voting with your wallet, you show that a business decision is not in the best interest of it consumers, causing either a change in policy, or a shut down of the game. Any smart business realizes the smarter move and changes policy to meet the demand of its consumers or a suitable middle ground. Or it fails. Ask Microsoft how their Xbox One is doing.

Why do you think WoW has been running all these years?

It's wonderful that several people in FCs are being benched because their FC members who already have a 8 man static can't run the content again to help them out and that you don't get to experience a different form of gameplay for the best content in the game without making an additional character more than once a week.

This is a choice your static and FC has made. There is nothing to stop you from recruiting people and splitting your static for a couple weeks to get some of your FC members coil experience. I don't like lockouts either, but the least you can do is make a better effort to bring in your FC instead of blaming everything on SE. Also, if other people want to get into coil, there are always pugs, or they can leave FC and go to one that is building a coil group. So many options, it's a shame you pigeon hole your FC into only running a set static and leaving people behind.

You're missing the point completely. What I am saying is that once I finish coil once for the week I am unable to help my FC friends who haven't do the same. Regardless of whether we're in a static or not that makes no difference since you still can't help your friends once locked out. Basically I am forced to pick 7 people out of my entire FC to do the best content in the game with per week. I should be able to help all my friends, not forced to choose 7 of them to help for the entire week.

Post locked again.

I do understand what you are saying. But given the fact that the limitation is here, it is in place, and for the time being, not going anywhere, what have you done to help your FC? I would like to see at least a CT style lockout so you could run it all you want and only loot once, but that isn't the case right now. Rather than doing what you can to work with the system, you blame SE and stick to your static.

Turning off your sub without complaining is not good 'voting', as it doesn't let the company know for sure why so many people are unsubbing. Maybe they migrated to a new game, maybe they can't afford it anymore because holidays, maybe there's something players think are terribly wrong.
If the game continues to add content players are unhappy with, even after continuously bringing it up, I'm sure many players will unsub and SE would have a good idea of the reasoning behind it.

SE knows exactly what we are complaining about. They are *trying* to find a middle ground for everyone without letting the flood gates go. Hence the myth cap increase. They have the required analytics and they can also see from the forums how unhappy people are about lockouts, but if people keep paying each month, there is no reason to change it and the system stays the same.

[DoctorPepper]

This is a choice your static and FC has made. There is nothing to stop you from recruiting people and splitting your static for a couple weeks to get some of your FC members coil experience. I don't like lockouts either, but the least you can do is make a better effort to bring in your FC instead of blaming everything on SE. Also, if other people want to get into coil, there are always pugs, or they can leave FC and go to one that is building a coil group. So many options, it's a shame you pigeon hole your FC into only running a set static and leaving people behind.

You're missing the point completely. What I am saying is that once I finish coil once for the week I am unable to help my FC friends who haven't do the same. Regardless of whether we're in a static or not that makes no difference since you still can't help your friends once locked out. Basically I am forced to pick 7 people out of my entire FC to do the best content in the game with per week. I should be able to help all my friends, not forced to choose 7 of them to help for the entire week.

[Makado]

You're missing the point completely. What I am saying is that once I finish coil once for the week I am unable to help my FC friends who haven't do the same. Regardless of whether we're in a static or not that makes no difference since you still can't help your friends once locked out. Basically I am forced to pick 7 people out of my entire FC to do the best content in the game with per week. I should be able to help all my friends, not forced to choose 7 of them to help for the entire week.

If you split 8 experienced members into 8 different groups, you are helping 56 people with coil. You may not personally be in a party helping all of them, but your group is. I personally think the point SE wants is to not let 7 people be holding another persons hand. While that can still happen, they don't want EVERYONE to be doing it, all day long. Not everyone deserves coil gear. They want people to gain experience with groups and learn the fights.

[DoctorPepper]

If you split 8 experienced members into 8 different groups, you are helping 56 people with coil. You may not personally be in a party helping all of them, but your group is. I personally think the point SE wants is to not let 7 people be holding another persons hand. While that can still happen, they don't want EVERYONE to be doing it, all day long. Not everyone deserves coil gear. They want people to gain experience with groups and learn the fights.

Really? My problem is that I have to choose 7 friends from my FC to play with on a weekly basis and your solution is to stop playing with those 7 friends and play with others instead? Remind me again, how exactly does that solve my problem? Seems like either way I have to tell some friends "sorry, i'm not playing with you this week" in a genre of gaming that revolves almost entirely around playing with other people.