Loot lockouts should be based on Job

[DoctorPepper]

Considering their armory system was one of their main selling points I really don't see the design decisions of this.

Yes you could do nearly all content in DL but back in other games I could raid with my main group on Monday night and log in my alt and do it with other friends the same week if I wanted to. To do this in this game you have to work around a core (advertised) feature that was ment to be a convenience.

Exactly, I really want to utilize the armory system to its fullest extent since that's one of the primary features keeping me in this game. Right now it really seems underutilized and all of the lockouts seem designed around a system that would normally require you to make an alternate character to play another class/job.

[Alhanelem]

Considering their armory system was one of their main selling points I really don't see the design decisions of this.

This doesn't in any way interfere with the armory system. None of the locked-out gear is necessary for your jobs to be playable. There is enough gear accessible outside of locked content to enjoy pretty much everything in the game. You will probably need more for turn 5 but that's about it, and even then you don't really have to have all lvl90, so you can spread that stuff out across a few jobs instead of stacking it all on one if you are concerned with flexibility. While making alts is an option for the crazily-dedicated it truly isn't necessary as much as people are acting like it is.

[Marxam]

at 450 myth tomes (could go up in the future patches) and coil runs you could potentially gear one class in a month or two in full i90 with the current loot rng. Yes I do agree with you that loot should only drop based on the jobs present in the instance but I think giving separate myths per class might be pushing it.

[DoctorPepper]

at 450 myth tomes (could go up in the future patches) and coil runs you could potentially gear one class in a month or two in full i90 with the current loot rng. Yes I do agree with you that loot should only drop based on the jobs present in the instance but I think giving separate myths per class might be pushing it.

I would somewhat agree with you if the myth tome cap was raised but the fact is, even at 450/wk, having an extra 5 dungeons to do per week is not going to solve the current issue. Many people are hitting the current cap within a few hours after reset using only their main class. Also, simply raising the cap does not gate people in an effective way, for example, if you raise the cap to 1000 then you can spend that entire 1000 tomes on a single class and gear it up extremely fast, if the cap was lower and based on the equipped job you could still only gear up at a relatively slow speed (for a single class) which is why the caps are there to begin with.

[DoctorPepper]

This doesn't in any way interfere with the armory system.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with this. If I can make an alternate character and have an advantage over somebody who is trying to play an alternate job on their single character (ex. obtaining additional rewards on your alternate character while the person playing an alternate job on their single character gets locked out/capped) then that definitely interferes with the armory system. To me the entire point of the armory system is that I'm not supposed to have any good reason to create alts aside from vanity/rp. If you really think there is no advantage to playing an alt character rather than playing an alt job on a single character then you need to take your blindfold off.

[Slowburn]

Have they considered a soft cap? for instance once the maximum has been reached they can still obtain tomes but at a reduced rate? say 25%(or possibly lower) of the normal amount you would of received. It would still prevent players from advancing too quickly while also giving them the feeling that they are making progress.

[Traek]

This doesn't in any way interfere with the armory system. None of the locked-out gear is necessary for your jobs to be playable. There is enough gear accessible outside of locked content to enjoy pretty much everything in the game. You will probably need more for turn 5 but that's about it, and even then you don't really have to have all lvl90, so you can spread that stuff out across a few jobs instead of stacking it all on one if you are concerned with flexibility. While making alts is an option for the crazily-dedicated it truly isn't necessary as much as people are acting like it is.

You can say the same for your main character. I'm sure you pass on all i90 things on your main because, after all you don't *need* it except for T5 *maybe*. Why do we even get i90 stuff? We don't need any of it to clear coil! With crystal tower they should stop dropping all i90 because you can clear everything with i80. Your logic doesn't make sense, whether it is needed or not, you can't deny the armory system is devalued if you aren't able to progress multiple jobs, like the armory system suggests.

at 450 myth tomes (could go up in the future patches) and coil runs you could potentially gear one class in a month or two in full i90 with the current loot rng. Yes I do agree with you that loot should only drop based on the jobs present in the instance but I think giving separate myths per class might be pushing it.

I agree 450 myth across all classes would get excessive. I think the 300 would be a better number because of this. SE seems to be doing the 450 myth to address the armory issue at the moment. With a better loot lockout system and 450 myth I think most people would be happy personally. It'd make sense to gear up your top class or two, then eventually three, and you'd still be able to progress other classes weekly with i80. Most of us just want a sense of progression, and something to do on more then our *ONE* job, which is not what an armory system suggests. I've already rolled my alt, and will be progressing it the same as my main. Maybe it will be a 2 day a week game now instead of 1 day.

[DoctorPepper]

Have they considered a soft cap? for instance once the maximum has been reached they can still obtain tomes but at a reduced rate? say 25%(or possibly lower) of the normal amount you would of received. It would still prevent players from advancing too quickly while also giving them the feeling that they are making progress.

As far as I know they have not considered a soft cap. That is a decent alternative solution but it might still leave a sour taste in some mouths. None the less it's something to consider for sure.