What the changes to War, Drg and Mnk really mean...

[Versiroth]

I can't say much on MNK since I have barely played it, but DRG is definitely one of the harder jobs to manage that does have one of the bigger learning curves.

Dragoons aren't hard to play, but there are a lot of moves you have to try to manage.

(Flank) Heavy Thrust - Internal Release - Phlebotomize - Blood for Blood - (back) Impulse Drive - Disembowel - Leg Sweep (when stunning is ok) - Chaos Thrust - True Thrust - Power Surge - Vorpal Thrust - Jump - Life Surge - Full Thrust - Dragonfire Dive/Spinshatter Dive (again when stunning is ok) - Rinse/repeat... all while avoiding AOEs and such.

That's normally my opener. I always try to use an instant ability in between GCDs when possible, but the main trick is to keep all of your dots and buffs/debuffs up at all times.

[ChaozK]

Says the DRG.

Not to give you shit but such comments are usually made by people who dont know what they are talking about.
The majority of people who dabbled into multiple classes at endgame and opimal rotations agree that DRG is one of the harder classes in the game to play to its fullest.

I personally play WAR/MNK/DRG/SMN and SCH and can tell you that DRG isnt easy in comparison to other classes.

[Velhart]

Says the DRG.

Was there someone else you were expecting to say it? This is based off my experience with all battle related jobs which I have gotten relics/DL all for except MNK/SCH/WHM.

Dragoons aren't hard to play, but there are a lot of moves you have to try to manage.

(Flank) Heavy Thrust - Internal Release - Phlebotomize - Blood for Blood - (back) Impulse Drive - Disembowel - Leg Sweep (when stunning is ok) - Chaos Thrust - True Thrust - Power Surge - Vorpal Thrust - Jump - Life Surge - Full Thrust - Dragonfire Dive/Spinshatter Dive (again when stunning is ok) - Rinse/repeat... all while avoiding AOEs and such.

That's normally my opener. I always try to use an instant ability in between GCDs when possible, but the main trick is to keep all of your dots and buffs/debuffs up at all times.

My setup/rotation is similar to this. It isn't saying that the job in general is hard, but I am simply comparing learning curves to other jobs I experienced. Funny enough, DRG/WAR/MNK I would say were the ones that took me the longest to figure out of the jobs which is what this thread is complaining towards. But hey that is just my 2 cents.

[Versiroth]

My setup/rotation is similar to this. It isn't saying that the job in general is hard, but I am simply comparing learning curves to other jobs I experienced. Funny enough, DRG/WAR/MNK I would say were the ones that took me the longest to figure out of the jobs which is what this thread is complaining towards. But hey that is just my 2 cents.

Honestly, I think all of the combo juggling that needs to be done is what makes a lot of people that play them poorly. I've seen Dragoons appear to go into panic mode on Primals and just use the FT combo over and over without adding in anything else at all. Warriors are kind of the same. We have to juggle Butcher's Block for threat, Storm's Eye for DPS and soon, Storm's Path for the debuff and self heal. But honestly, this is what makes these classes fun for me. Unfortunately, this also seems to be why new players have issues.

[ReplicaX]

I experience bad players across all jobs regardless of how easy or hard ppl think they are. This game is pretty straightforward and has a very simple learning curve compared to other games. Even with that, you have players that still don't execute rotations or skills properly and/or adjust accordingly to the content they are playing.

Notice how my own quote doesn't discredit any job regardless of its design. What is the point behind crap talking other jobs when its the players that control them.

[PArcher]

Says the DRG.

I haven't leveled BRD yet (its next) but based on what many people I know say (and me leveling it to 15 in no time at all)...its lol-easy. Some of them hated leveling it for Quelling, it was so boring compared to their main classes. Which is causing me to dread leveling it.

I'm sure you've heard of that ideal 27-action rotation for DRG, correct? While I use a somewhat simplified version that works really well, its still not easy to pull off, especially on fights with a lot of boss movement. One missed positional, a bad AoE...combo ruined. Something no BRD has to worry about ever...

[PArcher]

Honestly, I think all of the combo juggling that needs to be done is what makes a lot of people that play them poorly. I've seen Dragoons appear to go into panic mode on Primals and just use the FT combo over and over without adding in anything else at all. Warriors are kind of the same. We have to juggle Butcher's Block for threat, Storm's Eye for DPS and soon, Storm's Path for the debuff and self heal. But honestly, this is what makes these classes fun for me. Unfortunately, this also seems to be why new players have issues.

I'm honestly wondering how I'm going to juggle Storm's Path and Storm's Eye, especially with them both combo-ing off enmity-less Maim (if they changed one to combo off Skull Sunder it would make much more sense IMO). I can see a lot of trial and error going on the days after the patch.

And I agree, all the complexity makes DRG and WAR just so much more fun. Can't just sit there spamming 1-2-3 and practically go afk while still doing well lol

[Ricky]

If you DF exclusively 90% of the players you see will be garbage anyway

[AzumaKun]

This is highly debateable, just last week played drg for the first time since 1.0 and went omg this class is easy how does any1 fail hard at it. Honestly bard would make top 3 easiest to play, with paladin being #1 easiest, why because it is stupid simple, 1 real enmity combo and all you really do is hit cooldowns when you see xyz skill coming or you when bosses start to get a stack count above 4. Also making the top 3 easiest to play would be blm, not sure how any1 can mess up this "rushed" class but I have seen it.

So you played a low level Dragoon, more likely Lancer, and that's how you based the difficulty of the class/job?

Fail.

Also, BRD is the simplest class to play, there's no arguing that.

[AzumaKun]

Says the DRG.

LOL, it's pretty widely accepted that DRG at end game is one of, if not the most difficult, jobs to play at an optimum level.

/headshake