Is Bow's Weapon Damage getting fixed?

[Mcshiggs]

Right now you can finish everything without a bard but it's still easier to have one. Some people like a challenge though

This is how it is meant to be, you can complete any of the 8 man content with any combination as long as you have the standard 2 tank, 2 healer, 4 dps setup. Of course you can deviate from that to suite your group's makeup, but they always wanted to be able to use any class/job for any content, and not favor job stacking, so right now people prefer paladins, so they are giving warriors more tools, bards and casters are highly sought after for Coil groups, so they are increasing the usefulness of dragoon and monk.This will continue through the life of the game, it happens with all MMO's, new content is released, they try to balance classes with it, then end up tweaking after to try get it right, once they feel they are at a stable point, it's time for new content and the cycle starts again. You can see this in other games, most classes in WoW now are completely different than they were at release, in XI ninja was meant to be a debuff/dps class, but the players saw it and invented the evasion tank, and SE rolled with it, adding a dynamic to the job they didn't even imagine when they designed it.

[Rochetm]

Attacks that are landing. In current level 50 boss fights ask your monks and dragoons how often they must disconnect from their target. Does the monk lose all his ramp up from greased lightning when they do? Does dragon have to restart part of their combo, reapply buff and debuff? What about the casters? Are they safe to cast the spell in that spot?
The way I see it is Archer's low weapon damage correlates with other traits archers passively posses.

When does a bard disconnect from a boss/target? Casting spell/song is one moment, but how often is a bards attack stopped because they have to move out of the way?

I mentioned attacks that are landing not just weapon's speed and damage. Monks have insane dps if they can stay on the boss. This is the way SE set up weapons and the low damage on our weapons doesn't mean we are supposed to be weaker.

Careful.... other bards are going to beat you for saying this.

[Naryoril]

This is how it is meant to be, you can complete any of the 8 man content with any combination as long as you have the standard 2 tank, 2 healer, 4 dps setup.

Well, 4 bards doing Ifrit HM will have a very very hard time, probably impossible if they are not decked out with gear where they shouldn't do ifrit anymore anyway.

Otherwise i agree with you, it's sad enough that you all too often end up with 3 bards in an ifrit group if you use duty finder.

On the topic: if bards really already were that bad as many make them out to be, they wouldn't be everywhere you go. There is a reason to that, and it's not because people like their mechanics THAT much.

[Exstal]

Well, 4 bards doing Ifrit HM will have a very very hard time, probably impossible if they are not decked out with gear where they shouldn't do ifrit anymore anyway.

Otherwise i agree with you, it's sad enough that you all too often end up with 3 bards in an ifrit group if you use duty finder.

On the topic: if bards really already were that bad as many make them out to be, they wouldn't be everywhere you go. There is a reason to that, and it's not because people like their mechanics THAT much.

Very, very hard time is not comparable to impossible.

[Naryoril]

Very, very hard time is not comparable to impossible.

well, i don't have a bard, so i can't try it out. Is there a party with 4 bards and with ifrit weapons (or less) and partial darklight equipment who was able to do it? Because that's the gear the fight is balanced to. Honestly i really doubt it, but i'd be interesting to see a video of it.

I think this is an extreme case where it's fine when it doesn't work with any party setup.

[mythicrose]

Well, 4 bards doing Ifrit HM will have a very very hard time, probably impossible if they are not decked out with gear where they shouldn't do ifrit anymore anyway.

Focus fire each nail. Use tank LB if they don't go down. You'll all be hurting, but should survive and can continue the fight just like before.

[Bardo]

Focus fire each nail. Use tank LB if they don't go down. You'll all be hurting, but should survive and can continue the fight just like before.

Nope. (Unless all your bards are overgeared)
iLvL~55 Bards don't put down enough single target to solo a nail in time unless they get a huge string of crits and bloodletter procs (RNG).
Tank limit break PLUS Sacred Soil won't save you from more than 1 nail at iLvL~55 vit values.

It can definitely be done if most are overgeared, but that's irrelevant to a conversation about balance.

Either the DF just needs to stop making all Bard DD groups, or Foe needs to be modified to affect physical damage as well as magic (but still not stack).
Then it would be MUCH easier to tune Bard for Light party play vs Full party play.

[Akirakogami]

Bard support abilities are not op. Songs are only helpful for people who mismanage their resources.

Our silence is usefull only because of a few particular mechanics. We have no stun, low dps, low burst, poor aoe, no limit break. We're getting nerfed anyways because troll Dragoons whined enough to get their way.

[Rochetm]

Bard support abilities are not op. Songs are only helpful for people who mismanage their resources.

Our silence is usefull only because of a few particular mechanics. We have no stun, low dps, low burst, poor aoe, no limit break. We're getting nerfed anyways because troll Dragoons whined enough to get their way.

... and she called dragoons trolls. Wow.

[Songi]

I think monks were complaining about bards more than Dragoons. Dragoons didn't have to worry about a bard replacing them in group thanks to Disembowel. What do Monks have to support other DPS? I got nothin'. Granted, if you come to my server you'll find most of the Dragoon population being terrible and not knowing how to properly use their abilities in a rotation or even avoid the avoidable damage which created the whole alienation of melee dps in the first place.

On topic: Bard weapon damage is fine, I think if our endgame weapons had at least crit hit rate instead of totally worthless skill speed they would be comparable to other classes' weapons. I have no information on what the Extreme primal reward weapon will be like but if it has crit on it you can bet I'll be using that over anything else until they decide to give us a higher tier of weapon.