Does else anyone miss "open dungeons"? Old FFXIers?

[indira]

they made strongholds crap compared to how they were in 1.0. they were full of mobs and had coffers you could open for gear when you get a key. they can make them in future content and stop making everything a instance dungeon.

i'll take open world dungeon grinding over chasing fate's anyday.

[Kletian]

Open world dungeons mean that other parties can monopolize the content, including Bots and RMT. Instancing the dungeons ensure a fair risk/reward balance.

That said, there's no harm in making the beastman cities more dangerous with decent rare drops off the monsters. I'd advise against "Tunnel" dungeons that interfere with travel though.

[indira]

Open world dungeons mean that other parties can monopolize the content, including Bots and RMT. Instancing the dungeons ensure a fair risk/reward balance.

That said, there's no harm in making the beastman cities more dangerous with decent rare drops off the monsters. I'd advise against "Tunnel" dungeons that interfere with travel though.

have you even played this game??

bots are all over the place already. people already BS through content buying & selling wins thats a monopoly to FC/LS's. more content & places to do things outside an instance is always better. you cant always find a group /shout, you dont have to wait 30min+ like the DF.

"Instancing the dungeons ensure a fair risk/reward balance." thats a lie you enter instance then one guy decide to AFK, or another guy drops party due to raging. already was a post about someone mad about losing a need/greed. there will always be good and to everything.

[ApolloGenX]

Actually, imo instancing all dungeons ensures mediocre rewards and lends itself to grind type reward systems (tomes).

Those same systems that encourage high volume running of instances trivializes the dungeon experience, encourages burnout, and lends itself to unimaginative dungeon design in favor of a quick and simple experience.

This also facilitates lazy itemization. You can use dungeon volume runs for token systems for a tightly controlled set of rewards, versus the open named mob approach that leads to a more varied loot table that is harder to balance but encourages variety.

[Chippy2]

Do I want open gameplay?. HELL YES!!..there is nothing I would like more. While we at it bring back Notorious monster also!. Yoshi you gotta sort this out!. You catering way too much for new players. I like the instanced dungeons but they become boring and repetitive they are linear and we are restricted by the map!. A good MMO should be open and free full of exploration and danger!. There's a enough content there now for the newest MMO players to get to grips with!. Now you need to focus more on the FF fan base we don't want all our areas instanced!. FFXIV is a great game but it could be better with the good points from XI in there also. What's wrong with a mix of both?. Open areas like SEA and SKY were awesome and a lot of fun. Please please we need more of this in future expansion!.

[Doo]

Open world dungeons mean that other parties can monopolize the content, including Bots and RMT. Instancing the dungeons ensure a fair risk/reward balance.

As long as people buy gil, the issue will never be solved no matter what system is introduce.

[Kewitt]

I wouldn't mind them removing level cap for pre built parties if all members have already completed on that job.

[Luminessence]

There's a enough content there now for the newest MMO players to get to grips with!. Now you need to focus more on the FF fan base we don't want all our areas instanced!. FFXIV is a great game but it could be better with the good points from XI in there also. What's wrong with a mix of both?. Open areas like SEA and SKY were awesome and a lot of fun. Please please we need more of this in future expansion!.

Very well said! I completely agree!

As long as people buy gil, the issue will never be solved no matter what system is introduce.

Exactly. No matter the content, open/closed/instanced. RMTs pretty much dominate the crystal market. Why? Because they sell said items at ridiculously low prices for the amount of time they're farmed. I mean farming 1000 shards can take a long time, so it's understandable. Not every one has the time to go out and farm 1000 of shards ect. Why not leave it to bots, y'know?

[KraggyKor]

To FFXI players, d'ya remember open dungeons that you could zone into? Like Garlaige Citadel or Gusgen mines? Or higher level ones like Boyahdah Tree and Gustav Tunnel? Fighting monsters in these zones always felt special and much more dangerous. Especially when soloing.

They're not 'dungeons' in anything like the same sense as the instanced content here, 'dungeon content' is put in instances for several reasons not least to eliminate the griefing that plagued FFXI's open world content that is remotely comparable to normal instances: HNM fights.

None of the 'dugeons' in FFXI had multi-boss encounters, the areas you mentioned were no different from any other zone in the game, they just didn't have a sky to see, for all intents and purposes the content was entirely the same; a mix of group 'camps' for XP parties and (H)NMs to camp.

The beastmen strongholds in both games are the same, except FFXIV's are smaller in size and don't have HNMs at their centre.

[Kyriea]

I'd love to go back to XI, but then I remember what it's like now :/

This is the problem, nobody can ever go back to XI and have the same experience because they tried to modernise an old game and butchered it in the process. A lot of people slate XI because they couldn't get into it, but is XIV really any better? FATE grinds are possibly the worst grind I've ever experienced! People tend to think of innovation as better. Just because something is new and exciting, does not mean it's better or more enjoyable.