No Love for Casual Hardcore Gamers?

[FiniteTrue]

It is clear that every one of you is narrow-minded, self-righteous, and rude. I am retaliating to being flamed. I am retaliating to having my wants shot down by an unfair amount of intolerant people. And yet even you who support my opinion, fail to so much as listen. Clearly, gamers are completely and utterly brain-dead on the right sides of their brains. The side that solves problems and negotiates using ideas instead of criticism, cynicism, and emotionless logic.

And that is where this game is heading, too. The left side of the brain processes numbers and logic. That's only 60% of the gamer population at best! The majority is barely a majority!

Some of the solutions which *ALL* of you say are difficult if not impossible don't even stop for one second to think!

Solution 1: Leveling up crafter/gatherer classes should unlock crafter/gatherer levequests. Effort: Minimal

Solution 2: Include crafter/gatherer storyline quests in the events leading up to unlocking all basic features of the game including the market retainers. Effort: Minimal (The story is already there!)

Solution 3: Give the crafters and gatherers access to unique support skills that make them useful in PVE. Effort: Medium (The game engine is already created! It's as easy as creating and testing a few new mechanics!)

Are any of you qualified game designers? Any single one of you? Because if not, your opinions are extremely unfair. I am not here to chat with rude nay-sayers, trolls, and flamers. I am here to talk to people who either want change or are capable of change. Seriously. If you don't like a topic, shut up and avoid it.

[Pyretta_Blaze]

I shall attempt to ignore your rudeness and hostility and just stick to my actual response.

I already said I supported Solutions 1 & 2. From my time on these forums I think there are quite a few players who would support those changes.

Solution 3 was already discussed long ago at length and the Devs said they aren't going to pursue it. There was an activity in 1.0 called Hamlet Defense that tried to incorporate crafters and gathers in PVE encounters. It wasn't very satisfying. I wouldn't mind if the devs tried again but they already said no.

You probably weren't around but we already had long detailed threads about incorporating DoH & DoL in dungeons where a botanist chopped down a wooden blockade the group could take a shortcut or where an alchemist could poison a water source to affect the outcome of the encounter. There were tons of ideas with really interesting and creative ways to use all the classes in PvE but again, the devs said no.

I really, really hate it when someone says this but perhaps this isn't the game you are looking for. The "qualified game designers" already said this kind of activity was not their vision of the game and was not going to be supported.

[rislim-]

It is clear that every one of you is narrow-minded, self-righteous, and rude.

Look in the mirror.

You have an unhealthy obsession with right brains being the master race. What did the left half ever do to you? Are you capable of walking or feeding and clothing yourself?

Anyway.

I think a "main" storylineline for DoL and DoH should be doable, but it should be from a different POV. It wouldn't replace the true main storyline.

[kristerrr86]

I dont get why you have to be so rude against people who politely disagrees with you.

If you want change why dont you use your amazing right brain to come up with a solution :P

[FiniteTrue]

Look in the mirror.

You have an unhealthy obsession with right brains being the master race. What did the left half ever do to you? Are you capable of walking or feeding and clothing yourself?

Anyway.

I think a "main" storylineline for DoL and DoH should be doable, but it should be from a different POV. It wouldn't replace the true main storyline.

The left side made things boring. Once you can't play a game creatively, it is just a collection of numbers for the left-brain to process. I join a game to socialize and create new things. As left-brain tasks are becoming automated, they are becoming less useful, less fun, and more tedious.

A game that allows people who are creative to enjoy things just as much as hardcore grind enthusiasts is a good game for this century. The concept of menial tasks and grinding is becoming outdated.

[Seezur_Undies]

I dont get why you have to be so rude against people who politely disagrees with you.

If you want change why dont you use your amazing right brain to come up with a solution :P

I would help them. but apparently my right brain is on vacation. he left a note though 'If i am not back in a week...just wait longer'

[Seezur_Undies]

A game that allows people who are creative to enjoy things just as much as hardcore grind enthusiasts is a good game for this century. The concept of menial tasks and grinding is becoming outdated.

Crafting: You press a series of buttons on your hot bar
Battle: You press a series of buttons on your hot bar

Still failing to see the difference, maybe my left brain joined my right brain on vacation....Bastard didnt leave a note

[Lukahn]

OP, the solutions you proposed are fine ideas and I highly doubt most players would have a problem if they were implemented. Most of the posters are correct here in noticing that you pretty much came out of the gate swinging, angry, and ready to pounce on anyone who did not share your opinion. Relax, dude!

I don't know how far you've gotten into the main storyline of the game, but there is a lot of fetch quests and quests that only involve killing a small handful of monsters. Yes you would have to play through a few dungeons, but you can pretty much coast through to a level where you can focus soley on your craft without much of a time investment. It's not ideal, but it's better than you'll find in most games.

[Little_Ifrit]

I join a game to socialize and create new things.

You could do with working on that skill in particular!

[FiniteTrue]

I'm done with the forums. It is clearly a breeding grounds for contention and serves no other purpose.