DPS Output, Seeing where I stand.

[WiseWolfHolo]

If this is what you believe, I'm convinced you didn't play the game before Coil.

game before coil? not sure what you mean here so if you can help me out here I can try to understand what you mean

[Exstal]

game before coil? not sure what you mean here so if you can help me out here I can try to understand what you mean

When Bard DPS is #1? Every place except Coil. Coupled with the fact that they don't have to stop moving allowing them to circumvent pretty much all mechanics while losing little to no DPS. THAT is why they are being nerfed.

[WiseWolfHolo]

When Bard DPS is #1? Every place except Coil. Coupled with the fact that they don't have to stop moving allowing them to circumvent pretty much all mechanics while losing little to no DPS. THAT is why they are being nerfed.

bards dps number 1. . . not sure how that can be taken. I mean in coil I get way out dpsed by our monk which I should.In other instances such as titan get out dpsed by a smart and skilled drg. With foe requiem which I should play for mages get out dpsed by them. I mean I see no reason to nerf bard when we are the lowest DoW class. If anything SE should consider buffing mages since at moments bards can out dps them. So anyway sure low end content, mages get interrupted because server lag makes them have to move and cast times too long, so what happens when mages cast time is so low moving after almost a second into the cast does not stop the cast from going off, are we going to nerf them then? I did not choose the bard life, the coil group kind of steered me in that direction, in 1.0 I played monk which no1 else did and rather enjoyed it, but right now I made bard my own and right now, in end game, not early content, bard is as I said the lowest DoW dps and again if I play foe I will lose to a summoner, who like 30% of his dps comes from his garuda. Small content before coil really does not count as any clear and cut convincing evidence that bard needs a nerf. Casuals that cannot out dps a bard before the current end game coil and cry for a bard nerf are just bad and compare apples to oranges and just does not add up, is really what I am getting at.

[Zer0mr]

Mess.

Wat?

/10char

[WiseWolfHolo]

Wat?

/10char

What do you mean what? All I am saying is honestly idc much about them "touching bard" but more about the future. If they cater too much and nerf classes based off of casuals who are not top end game players their game is going to flop because all that will happen is nerf classes based off of casual progression, most of which do not touch coil and not know their classes potential. Them touching bard just shows that SE has no intention to listen to what end game players really have to say about each class and the future down the line in terms of newer end game content. The point I am trying to say is xyz job maybe the best burst damage/dps now but keep messing with it in terms of nerfs and in the future you will have what you did not want a full support class. Yoshi said they did not want bard to pull as a supportive role as it did in 1.0, but from the so called "adjustments" even though we do not know what they are yet, it certainly seems to be going back to the fail 1.0 support role. Speaking of which why call bard a dps because obviously now it will more than likely not fill that role anymore and should be considered support and therefor have its own duty finder role.

[Thorauku]

When Bard DPS is #1? Every place except Coil. Coupled with the fact that they don't have to stop moving allowing them to circumvent pretty much all mechanics while losing little to no DPS. THAT is why they are being nerfed.

That's the most BS logic I've ever read.

Even if bards can continuously DPS while moving, their DPS is total crap. Heck bards can't even hit for more than 700 with their full buffs.

Please, if you don't own a bard, stop making such BS statement.

[Exstal]

k

As I said, Coil is irrelevant. We know i90 Bard is nothing compared to i90 everything else. It's what is before that which is where the balance is coming from.

That's the most BS logic I've ever read.

Even if bards can continuously DPS while moving, their DPS is total crap. Heck bards can't even hit for more than 700 with their full buffs.

Please, if you don't own a bard, stop making such BS statement.

I need to play Bard to know who's doing most damage? Since when is that necessary?

[WiseWolfHolo]

As I said, Coil is irrelevant. We know i90 Bard is nothing compared to i90 everything else. It's what is before that which is where the balance is coming from.

Which is where I hope SE figures out they made a huge mistake with touching bard, because if this pattern continues of omg a class does xyz damage on things that is not current end game and nerfs it, what will it be life as that class in future content. Again this is why I believe SE is only touching bard because of the QQ casuals who do not even know what they are doing as their classes most of which QQers are drgs and have not realized their full dps potential are going to mess up the game in terms of future content. I just wish SE would not listen to their cash cow(casuals) and cater to their needs without listening more to those currently in end game content. If you ask me, as I said, right now buff mages, buff whm, nerf scholar(going cleric, dotting, then going out of cleric keeps the cleric damage, which is broken) and well the only good thing in this whole class change is boosting warrior. Everything else is just a cater to the casuals, yes I just played drg, got my relic and was like omg this class is so easy how does some1 mess this up, again though when the tank moved the boss was like omg my combo but I recovered from that so fast it was funny. I just think bard right now does not need any messing with.

[Thorauku]

I need to play Bard to know who's doing most damage? Since when is that necessary?

So where does your statement came from? From reading forums without actually having to play / test one? Wow, you must be a really reliable source then.

I myself created a Dragoon to actually see where they stand now, and yes, I can really say that Dragoons really need a tweak with their jumps.

One does not simply say that a class needs a buff / nerf with BS parsers alone.

[Exstal]

k

I don't know if that's true. FFXI dictates SE isn't too keen on catering to casuals (SMN being trash for years). Catering to hardcore doesn't gain enough money. Only need to mildly keep them interested while making sure to get new players.

- Buff Mages: Probably unlikely due to Musketeer coming into the mix. True Bards will stay and those who only care for Ranged damage will go to Musketeer (probably intended). Mage dps being the highest currently anyway
- Buff WHM: Completely unnecessary. Some reworking of skills like Cure III but overall can't imbalance between this and SCH
- Nerf SCH: Due to the structure of ACN the cleric stance dancing works a little better in the SCH favour but how would you nerf this aspect?

k

I gave reasons why Bard warranted a nerf.
You didn't need to make Dragoon to see jumps are bad. Watch them use them on anything then watch them get hit by mechanics due to animation lock.
Just like you don't need a Monk to realise when bosses jump off screen for longer than 8 seconds, you're going to lose Greased Lightning stacks.

Some things you either notice or are told by people who live and breathe the class.