melee dps buffs + bard nerf = cumulative effect too much?

[Cynric]

I'm not going to argue that we're a difficult class. Honestly, I'm not sure which classes I'd argue *are* difficult, but that's beside the point. I just don't want people getting the idea that somehow BRD is the single, solitary class that can DPS while moving, because we aren't. The fact is, the only time that a

No but look at all the examples you yourself cited, blm has to do these skills or hope for this proc to dps while moving, healers must use certain skills to heal while moving from AoEs, Melees have to find a safe spot as you have said while dealing with positioning or completely disengage at risk of losing major buffs or their place in rotation. None of these jobs can play their best while moving. Bur what changes between a bard playing his or her best and having to dodge? Well theyre moving, they dont need to pre plan and dont need an extra bonus skill, they play the exact same while dodging as they do standing still.

Does this make bard broken? No, just less stressful and through that stress level it makes it a bit easier to know what to do as a bard. No one is claiming what melees and the other classes do to be the hardest thing in the world. What I am saying and have been said is that Bard deals with very little of those same things to begin with. No cast times, but stays out of range of most AoE, no poisitioning on the target to mess around with. Just gotta play normal and when needed to sing bards are often told to do so, then they sing , and nothing changes how they play even then except the damage they do.

[Viridiana]

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You realize that I was pretty much explicitly arguing against your earlier assertion that all the other classes have to halt everything in order to dodge, right? Once you conceded that they don't, I no longer have any reason to continue this argument. I'll leave the relative difficulties of the various classes to another discussion.

[Cynric]

You realize that I was pretty much explicitly arguing against your earlier assertion that all the other classes have to halt everything in order to dodge, right? Once you conceded that they don't, I no longer have any reason to continue this argument. I'll leave the relative difficulties of the various classes to another discussion.

I guess the more correct wording would have been Bard can play optimum either way, the other jobs can not play their best while moving and must adapt new strategies, pre plan, or completely stop doing damage, where Bard can stay static and constant in what Bard does while moving or dodging an AoE. As far as the discussion about difficulty, Im sure we can save that for another day. All of what I said still stands though, People , not you of course, can call me stupid, a liar, whatever I dont really care, It doesnt change the facts about Bard as a whole.

[Allyrion]

Could you cite your sources on this? I've only seen and heard them being very explicit and precise in their class and job titles when talking about them and would be interested in seeing otherwise.

That's just my impression. I may be wrong of course. The live letters are pretty lengthy and it's something I noted a while back so sourcing it is too difficult. I guess just take it with a grain of salt.
I can't imagine though that they mean they're giving songs away. And Reinheart shouldn't have too much of a mix up with job names.

[Phai]

Bard can move.

Brd can dps and move, dps outcome still on lower half in endgame (after titan) / (aimed for coil) thats the fact when good ppl and in same gear play together.
On titan a bard should not jump around like an idiot, if position wrong, u can get other casters/healers locked in for "plumes", so they must find correct position. After heart phase, and will probly come more to show when EM Primal comes. In coil there is nothing to benefit from jumping aroun like and idiot either. And if u see a Brd strafe trough Place where healers stand during Liquied hell, just kick him. They can move, but they need to think about where they stand.
They have alot of CD's, and timing those right, all of them, to make most out of the dps we have, is not a faceroll, Couple of those conflags, u have realy low time to get down. have the right cd's ready for the correct conflags.

I dont mind a movment "nerf" to brd, but then they would need a dps boost.
There are so many aspects about Brd that is flushed away from all the crying about theire movment.

[Bardo]

I guess the more correct wording would have been Bard can play optimum either way, the other jobs can not play their best while moving... snip

But does that even matter since (at endgame) even optimum Bard that doesn't sing is behind other DD dealing with mechanics?

[Cynric]

But does that even matter since (at endgame) even optimum Bard that doesn't sing is behind other DD dealing with mechanics?

The conversation was about the difficulty of bard it just got steered un a weird direction. I already stated more than once bard is weaker, but less stressful to play and was clearly intended to be less stressful and due to said stress levels slightly easier to use inside content. It wouldnt matter personally to me if Monk did less damage than bard but I didnt pick up Monk because it was strong. So im probably not the right person to get into a dps argument with. Im more about the sum of all parts than individual strength

[BrandoH]

The conversation was about the difficulty of bard it just got steered un a weird direction. I already stated more than once bard is weaker, but less stressful to play and was clearly intended to be less stressful and due to said stress levels slightly easier to use inside content. It wouldnt matter personally to me if Monk did less damage than bard but I didnt pick up Monk because it was strong. So im probably not the right person to get into a dps argument with. Im more about the sum of all parts than individual strength

Just lucky that the class you enjoy will be the epitome of individual strength in DPS checks in the coming patch.

[Aysha_Alese]

the whole point of this being is not bards as an individual, but as a group as a whole. for example you have 2 dps, 1 brd and 1 blm, and another group has 1 drg and 1 blm. which group is going to pound out way more dmg? notice the only difference is replacing one class with another? exactly the point in the changes and the main reason noone wants a drg in their group in the first place. they even said personally they are making the changes so drg will be more viable to be in the group and i hope with future content they create bosses that require melee dps with attack patterns just as much as any other class would be needed. now come on start giving me a bunch of likes people!!!

[Eremes]

the whole point of this being is not bards as an individual, but as a group as a whole. for example you have 2 dps, 1 brd and 1 blm, and another group has 1 drg and 1 blm. which group is going to pound out way more dmg? notice the only difference is replacing one class with another? exactly the point in the changes and the main reason noone wants a drg in their group in the first place. they even said personally they are making the changes so drg will be more viable to be in the group and i hope with future content they create bosses that require melee dps with attack patterns just as much as any other class would be needed. now come on start giving me a bunch of likes people!!!

I don't know if I agree with that...BLM/DRG set up will easily out-damage BLM/BRD. Unless you're talking about speed runs but even then, it's arguable.