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    Player Houston009's Avatar
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    Straigus Rheyist
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    The "nerf" for Bard will most likely push for Bard becoming more of a support job than a damage dealing job. Perhaps buffing/changing their songs. The ridding of damage buffing skills from either LNC/PUG will be the damage reduction people are crying about, which isn't that much tbh.

    1. I foresee BRD gaining addition skills from "PUG/ACN" rather than PUG/CNJ.
    With Arcanist skills they'll have access to:
    -Virus, to mitigate incoming damage (Reduce target's STR/DEX by 15%)
    -Eye for an Eye, for maximum up time of the buff
    -Physick, to assist in curing
    ~They could lower useless stats for BRD such as STR and INT to give a reason to increase their MND, kind of like WAR's low magical attributes.

    These skills are more supportive then what they'd get from CNJ.

    2. If they were to buff/change songs they could make it so the damage penalty from Ballad/Paeon is slightly less when cast'd and/or increase the regen of them so they dont have to be up as long. SE could make it so songs buffed with Battle Voice effect the caster aswell. <.<
    - This is mainly for those QQ'ing about not having invigorate anymore as they'll be able to restore their TP quickly.
    ~Also, Bards aren't the only DDs that have issues with TP, even with invigorate on my Monk I continue to be TP starved(i.e. why skill speed is useless) so that song would also benefit the other physical damage dealers(especially WAR, considering they don't even have invigorate)

    3. Foe's requiem could also get buffed so that the damage increase from it can equal the value of having another high dps in the party.

    However, #2 and #3 ,unfortunately, are unlikely to happen. ; ;
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    Last edited by Houston009; 12-10-2013 at 02:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houston009 View Post
    The "nerf" for Bard
    1 point for the effort.
    But did u think this trough?
    Remove Lancer;
    BfB, its a nerf to boost damage, making Brd less OP in short fights, if that can help class Balance, go for it.
    Remove Invigorate, it will kill Brd's as a AOE class, period, well if that helps class Balance, go for it.

    Now set ACN as cross class and do as u said; Eye for an Eye and virus how many classes can use that? and u think that will push Brd toward support?
    Now the fun part, Physick... realy?
    U know that in 2.1 they release 3 more 4 man instances?
    Brd and healer take care of healing and have same debuf/buff, EfE and virus, Tank has it role, and now u have 3 classes to make ur fun more fun, and u can shine as the hero u signed up as. Yeh, lets og for it.....
    If u read forums, it has nothing to do whit class Balance, its either crush brd, or just trash brd for the fun of it. Lets just hope Dev's dont share this way of thinking...
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    Exiras Nex
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phai View Post
    1 point for the effort.
    But did u think this trough?
    Remove Lancer;
    BfB, its a nerf to boost damage, making Brd less OP in short fights, if that can help class Balance, go for it.
    Remove Invigorate, it will kill Brd's as a AOE class, period, well if that helps class Balance, go for it.
    Removing invigorate would kill it as a single target DD as well. You must not play much bard in 13minute fights like twintania. That second paragraph....I can't quite understand the broken english so I'm just going to assume its more stupidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiras View Post
    Removing invigorate would kill it as a single target DD as well. You must not play much bard in 13minute fights like twintania. That second paragraph....I can't quite understand the broken english so I'm just going to assume its more stupidity.
    Yeh, my English skills are not good, cant argue on that.
    I do progress on Twintania, and i do find TP to be an issue during that fight, but i asumed talking about the AOE aspect of TP easyer to see for ppl not in Coil.
    Keep bashing my English skills, so u dont have to argue on the issue that are talked about, makes u look smart and its a pure win for u
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    Last edited by Phai; 12-10-2013 at 04:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phai View Post
    Yeh, my English skills are not good, cant argue on that.
    I do progress on Twintania, and i do find TP to be an issue during that fight, but i asumed talking about the AOE aspect of TP...
    It's just that it's impossible to understand what the hell you are trying to say because you are impossible to understand. I think this quote from the 17th page is meant for you

    Quote Originally Posted by Aricori View Post
    Our blackmages and summoners routinely out dps our bards. We don't scale as well with high level gear, so we start to lose out when gear levels rise. If you're looking to nerf us so you can beat our dps on your numerous Ifrit runs then you lack the experience to even make an assessment of what needs nerfs or buffs. Sorry to be crass, but many who complain about the utility and damage of bard have not played their toons at a level that would allow them to make proper comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiras View Post
    It's just that it's impossible to understand what the hell you are trying to say because you are impossible to understand. I think this quote from the 17th page is meant for you
    Well sorry if that was writen in a bad way, its a Language barrier.
    U pointed out that TP can be an issue during singel target fights that are long, and i agree, couse it happends that i go low on TP during Twintania.
    I was just trying to make the point about loosing Invigorate would for most kill Brd's AOE ability. Reason i mention AOE was becouse it might be easyer to see this for ppl not playing bard, or havent progress's into endgame.
    If u want to asume i am a bad player, go for it, i dont care, couse me and the ppl i play whit dont agree, and thats all that matters.
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    Shichi Mamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiras View Post
    That second paragraph....I can't quite understand the broken english so I'm just going to assume its more stupidity.
    It's easy to read. Here, I'll break it down for you.

    Change Bard's secondary class to ACN (to make it more support). Then he makes sarcastic remark that you'll be the hero of the group because you can do what SMN/SCH/BLM can already do.
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