Letter to all bards about Mages Ballad

[ChaozK]

How reasonable would it be to use Army's Paeon in a BRD/DRG setup?

Seeing that DRGs deal big AOE damage but cant sustain it for very long.

[Phai]

How reasonable would it be to use Army's Paeon in a BRD/DRG setup?

Seeing that DRGs deal big AOE damage but cant sustain it for very long.

Read OP's post one more time, dont try to reason whit that person, couse in other Words his/her skills are so limitid, that doing WP whitout a Brd cant be done.

A good bard would keep ur Heavy aoe and TP comsuming skill up and running (helping atleast), but if u go whit this tank, u cant get it, couse MP song need to be up from start to end -.-

[saber_alter]

I said ,"Sorry this is too slow for me , take care bye."

Then I spent 15 minutes working on this thread hoping other Bards learn that Mage Ballard is actually an ability they have even tho most actually don't use it ever.

i'm sorry, but i'm not going to drop my DPS by 20% to compensate for your ineptitude at tanking when there is a perfectly good black mage who's damage i can buff, thank you very much.

either learn to use riot blade, or stick with warrior, Kthanks.

[MartaDemireux]

i'm sorry, but i'm not going to drop my DPS by 20% to compensate for your ineptitude at tanking when there is a perfectly good black mage who's damage i can buff, thank you very much.

either learn to use riot blade, or stick with warrior, Kthanks.

Ballad still allows the BLM to DPS harder than with Requiem due to allowing Flare to be used more frequently. For Wanderer's Palace Speed Runs (for ease of numbers I'm not counting AF/UI, spell speed gear or abilities that can only be used once per pull that both rotations would see equal gains from (swiftcast Flares basically)):

Over 2 BLM rotations:

With Ballad up: Fire3>Flare>Bliz3>Fire3>Flare>Bliz3 will produce 1400 potency of damage in 22 seconds. In that time 9 Wide Volleys will produce 792 potency of damage. That's 2192 potency over 9 GCD's (243 potency per GCD). 2192 potency in 22 seconds is roughly 100 potency per second. The BLM needed to cast 6 times.

With Requiem up: Fire3>Flare>Tpose>Bliz2>Bliz2>Fire3>Fire2>Flare>Tpose>Bliz2>Bliz2 will produce 1679 potency of damage in 28 seconds. In that time you could get about 10 Wide Volleys and 1 Rain of Death off for 1200 potency of damage. That's 2879 potency over 11 GCD's (261 potency per GCD). 2889 potency in 28 seconds is roughly 102 potency per second. The BLM needed to cast 11 times.

What we see here is that Ballad allows for the BLM to deal about the same damage in less casts leading to faster kill speed overall. If both rotations were to go for similar lengths Ballad would pull ahead. Once we factor in Skill Speed and Umbral Ice/Astral Fire Ballad will pull ahead even more due to needing to cast more Fire II's under Requiem and Astral Fire greatly favoring higher potency spells. Under Astral Fire we see Fire II getting 180 potency (80 increase) versus 468 potency for Flare (208 increase). (I'm going to go over the math again now that I have more time to include AF and UI bonuses/restrictions)

Additional benefits to this are that it allows a tank to spam Flash to maintain hate without question and allows a WHM to cast Holy in between Cure's without the need to look at their MP. It should be noted that with more Flares being cast you will be generating more enmity which does indeed require the tank to be using Flash on cooldown. With Ballad already applied you save an additional 3 seconds between pulls as well.

tl;dr: In WPSR with BRD & BLM, BRD should full time Ballad (outside of boss fights, Requiem for boss fights), BLM should cast Fire3>Flare>Bliz3 (repeat) for the best DPS. Ballad also allows Flash and Holy spam.

[saber_alter]

-snip-

hmm, i'll try running ballad next time i do a speed run for WP (monday maybe). to see if it makes a difference with the Healer/DPS.


but on a completely different note, the tank should never be asking for ballad. riot blade generates enough MP to keep up flash spam without the use of ballad (no one is getting the benefits of it, so no one should be ripping hate off because of it)

[Dyne_Fellpool]

you're literally crucifying him

Literally -- I do not think that word means what you think it means.

[Grailer]

hmm, i'll try running ballad next time i do a speed run for WP (monday maybe). to see if it makes a difference with the Healer/DPS.


but on a completely different note, the tank should never be asking for ballad. riot blade generates enough MP to keep up flash spam without the use of ballad (no one is getting the benefits of it, so no one should be ripping hate off because of it)

I disagree, once PLD runs out of power the riot spam isn't fast enough . You get 1 flash spam every 6.5 seconds . Any BLM with decent gear can outdamage that , They would have to hold back .

Read OP's post one more time, dont try to reason whit that person, couse in other Words his/her skills are so limitid, that doing WP whitout a Brd cant be done.

A good bard would keep ur Heavy aoe and TP comsuming skill up and running (helping atleast), but if u go whit this tank, u cant get it, couse MP song need to be up from start to end -.-

Lol I never said use it continuously for entire run. Where do you guys read this stuff ?

There is argument that running it continuously allows BLM to do more damage which I never said .

[Ronzeru]

I'ma point out the giant elephant in the room. The main issue with everyone, is that in a team based game, everyone only focuses on outdoing each other and patting their own backs, rather than actually helping each other out and fine tuning themselves to work together properly as a team. If someone is lacking, usually that person isn't the only one that should just 'try harder'. Everyone should adjust to make things quicker, rather than lazily forcing it on another. Usually what a large chunk of you do is whine, bitch, complain, and by doing so effectively turn your speed runs into runs that take longer than casual runs.

lol stubborn mules

[AlternativeOne]

Can run WP and AK from start to finish without a tank, in about 15min Just need a healer and 3 dps and never need ballad or any songs. Dont complain cause the only irreplaceable job for that content is the healer. Tanks are rare as hell but dps and healers are plentiful. We have already found a solution to the tank problem, and that's not using one.

[Grailer]

Can run WP and AK from start to finish without a tank, in about 15min Just need a healer and 3 dps and never need ballad or any songs. Dont complain cause the only irreplaceable job for that content is the healer. Tanks are rare as hell but dps and healers are plentiful. We have already found a solution to the tank problem, and that's not using one.

5 mins longer than an average speed run adds up to a lot of wasted time .

Over 100 runs you are spending 25 hrs running WP vs my runs 16.7 hrs

Time is money .