To all those ANTI loot lockout people I say this.

[Asiaine]

This is a good list:

16 dungeons (3 more coming)
5 turns of Coil (CT coming)
3 hard mode primals (1 more coming + extreme modes)
Leves
Guildhests
FATEs (nobody wants to do these though)
Crafting
Chimera/Hydra
Finish quests if you haven't
Level other classes (Can be for subskills or to play)

But let's look at it closely. If we were not obsessed with gear:
19 Dungeons, we would do it maybe 5 times for fun.
5 Turns of coil, we would it again, maybe 5 times?

So far that's 100 'runs'. If we would do at least 3 runs a day (which is easy), we would be able to consume this content in one month.

Would anyone here repeat these more often if there was no reward? Very few would do it more than 5 times. So we need a 'reward'. What could the reward possibly be? Tomes. So in the end, repeating the dungeons is a tome-grind, but we get to choose 'how' (or where) we grind it. But the point is: We are repeating content not for the fun of the content itself, but only to get tomes to get equipment.

Leves/GuildHests -- We could easily do each leve and guildhest on the first time we go from 1-50. There is no real incentive to repeat them (they are not 'fun' to repeat, we do them for the reward. Once I've escorted someone, I'm not going to think: Yaay, I can escort him again!).

Fate - I'm not sure anyone does a fate for anything other than the reward (XP/Drop)

And this is where our problem is: Yes, there is a lot of content. Yes, there is a lot of ways to get a reward. But the end result is that the content that exists is the MEANS to an END which is the reward of equipment.

The content itself, without a reward of equipment, is not fun or engaging enough for us to desire to repeat over and over. Proof: How many people repeat WP/AK/etc. when already capped?

We need content that is FUN to do, over and over, in many different and interesting ways, that is so enjoyable that we care not for what reward is given.

To take an example from other games: People play Street Fighter, or Soul Edge, not because every time they win they get a power-up to use the next time. They repeat it many times because the mere act of playing it, is fun enough.

This is what I want as my reward. Not equipment, not a fancier stick. But game mechanics that are so enticing and enjoyable that I will go forth and seek out adventure for adventure's sake alone.

[permbanned]

16 dungeons (3 more coming)
5 turns of Coil (CT coming)
3 hard mode primals (1 more coming + extreme modes)
Leves
Guildhests
FATEs (nobody wants to do these though)
Crafting
Chimera/Hydra
Finish quests if you haven't
Level other classes (Can be for subskills or to play)

Just to give you a list. What you choose not to do is your fault, not Square's.

So basically "level another class"? Because that's what most of that crap is, leveling content.

For many, legacy players especially, they're done with 90% of this and are just left with coil. The game's been out for 3 years. 3 &#$%@ years. And there's nothing to do except 1 hour of coil per week and then getting your last 100 myth tomes in under an hour in WP. That's it. Period.

[Terius]

Get over yourself...

My thoughts exactly OP, right back at you.

[permbanned]

you should be focusing more so on the connections you make with others and the friends you make in the process the bonds we make with others online is what drives a MMO and makes it thrive for both the player and the class.

Oh look, more people telling others how they should play and what they should find enjoyable. This is new!

[Pavise]

Oh look, more people telling others how they should play and what they should find enjoyable. This is new!

Who would've thought that a Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game would be left as a husk for only gear progression to be consumed within a week and not focus at all on building bonds with others and enjoying their spare time killing whatever pixelated dragon is before them or pitting themselves against their peers in a PvP scenario which is coming next patch.

[Naelle]

Just being level 50 doesn't mean the old content is gone. You choose not to do it.

On the point of this thread though the alternative to loot lock out is horrendous rng. If you played 1.0 you'll know what I'm talking about. I'd rather have the CT style lockout (I wish I could do coil more than once a week too) than have to run the dungeon 100+ times to MAYBE get a single piece.

[Otoha]

OP explain how you make connections in a game where there's little to nothing to log in for? That is, more than the time it takes to get tomes and run through coil.

[permbanned]

Who would've thought that a Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game would be left as a husk for only gear progression to be consumed within a week and not focus at all on building bonds with others and enjoying their spare time killing whatever pixelated dragon is before them or pitting themselves against their peers in a PvP scenario which is coming next patch.

Oh please. You act like the people against lockouts don't already have an FC and haven't already "formed bonds" with people. Wake up.

[Arkista]

Those opposing lockouts cannot come up with a logical explanation other then they want to blow through everything in one day and get everything obtainable right this moment!

Are you kidding me? I log in twice a week, When this game 1st launched I played every single day for the 1st 2 months ( ya that's what happens when you get laid off from work). Now its login on Monday do CoB T1/T2 1 shot those log off, login on the weekend and finish up CoB and cap myth. That's it I have 2 level 50 everything else 30 or higher and 4 crafts at 50.

There isn't a thing else to do in the game for me. I don't like gathering/fishing, Crystal Tower loot lockout took my only incentive to level up all my jobs to 50.Not going to redo dungeons except AK/WP cause the others don't offer any rewards. So besides dumb achievements what else is there to do atm?

Just because some people have stuff to do and find it fun doesn't mean everyone else does.

And I would love for you to show me someone who Is going to max gear out in the 1st day just isn't going to happen. If you do I'll give you 52mil gil.

The lockout is in place cause SE screwed up! Simple as that. If the lockout was 72hrs I don't think so many people would be pissed.

Oh and BTW those of us who are opposing the lockout only make up a small fraction of the population. But that's ok I feel bad for you causal players as its going to take you even longer to gear up and fall further behind each week.

The only thing the Crystal Tower lockout is doing for us "Hardcore" players is making it longer to gear up other jobs........

Don't get me wrong when 2.1 comes there will be some more stuff to do, But for how long idk.

Who would've thought that a Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game would be left as a husk for only gear progression to be consumed within a week and not focus at all on building bonds with others and enjoying their spare time killing whatever pixelated dragon is before them or pitting themselves against their peers in a PvP scenario which is coming next patch.

You really need to get over yourself... The ones who would try to burn through content in a week are the minority, Get it? So in no way shape or form are those people hurting you or any other casual person. Cause 9/10 times those people are probably more than half way decked out in ilvl90 if not fully.




I got an idea Maybe there should be a NPC like the guy who does achievement and you talk to him with so many pieces of ilvl90 gear on and then we can lift the loot lockout. That should make most of us happy and keep the casuals well just casual.

[Arriverderci]

Developers also know how to extend the life of a game to make you PAY more.

Fixed for you. They are just forcing us a lock out so we can sub another month or so.
In this case, I'm not sure but 5+ drops from CT. [Just a guess.] So...we gotta pay another month and a week to be fully geared.
Thing is you guys, some people actually want to log on and say "Okay I get time to get so and so and feel accomplished!"

I'm not a big gear fan, at all. Stats don't mean too much to me. I don't even do Coil, truth be told. CT is suppose to help me out with it,
CT looks kinda fun, and the gear for WHM doesn't look so bad so I want it I don't give a crap about DL gear it's ugly
I'm one of those 'For looks" peoples anyways...but now I have to wait another x month to do that. I'm wating to level LNC/DRG
now and once I get to 50...I'ma be stuck...
They HAVE to remove the godamn "One job for all." We're forced to pick and choose which job you wanna gear for that week.
How insane is that? It's Myth's all over again. The WHM robe thing will take me over a month to get alone...because of a damn cap.

I can help people with CT, but let's face it, I'm not the nicest cat around so I don't ALWAYS wanna help people, screw people lmao.
So yeah. This whole thing is a joke. Defending it is a hilarious. It's F2P tier and we are PAYING. Big difference. Don't limit me.
This game has problems believe it or not folks.