Thoughts on Siren?

[Catapult]

The siren you encounter in main story...

I'm... sorry to break it to you, but the 1.0 Armorer quests didn't actually feature a siren.

What it featured was a bunch of rebellious girls, a cutting-edge piece of audio-amplification technology known as a gramophone stolen from Mimidoa, and a lot of siren-related paranoia on the part of the sailors.

Very few people know what a siren actually sounds like, because you normally don't return to tell the tale. When Mimidoa asks you what the "sirens" sounded like on the first voyage with "siren-warding flutes", he puts two and two together and subversively enlists your help. You then join him as he storms the island to reprimand a bunch of girls who have been holding large, loud parties, inciting fear in the local sailors - sailors who come to misguided conclusions about what that singing could possibly be.

The dude is a master of sound-amplification.

You are however correct to say that it is one Siren among many. But each Siren is deadly and mighty in its own right, capable of bringing a mortal to their knees by the power of its enchanting voice.

[angrygameraaron]

All I know is you do a story quest which has a siren cast adds - although you do not engage in direct battle with Siren herself. This is a few quests before your battle with Garuda.

Apart from that Siren was a GF/Primal/Esper/Eidolon/Summon in FF8.

[Saikou]

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Siren

Interesting info here, if it's complete. Siren has only been a summoned being in 2 games from the main FF series. Siren was also a Boss in FFV, which would make her "powerful but not uber" status in FFXIV not without precedent.

Amusingly, Garuda has only ever appeared as a summoned being in FFXI and FFXIV. All previous appearances were as a boss or a common enemy.

[StarHate]

Amusingly, Garuda has only ever appeared as a summoned being in FFXI and FFXIV. All previous appearances were as a boss or a common enemy.

It was kind of expected. Wind is the one element that has never had a consistent summon/monster association in the FF series. I don't actually think any 2 FF games have the same "Wind Lord" (so to speak). It has been Tiamat, Fenrir, Pandemonium, Barbaricca... compared to, say, Ifrit who has had a pretty consistent manifestation as Fire. Wind element rarely got much love since it was outside the holy trinity (fire, ice, lightning).

I think Siren would be a primal; after all isn't a primal just the aetheric manifestation of its worshipers? It is a neat concept that the sailors manifested her by believing the myth. Perhaps controlling undead to further serve her is the closest she can come to Tempering. A Pseudo-Primal, perhaps?

[Urielparadox]

It was kind of expected. Wind is the one element that has never had a consistent summon/monster association in the FF series.... It has been Tiamat, Fenrir, Pandemonium, Barbaricca... compared to, say, Ifrit(sub brunhilde) consistent manifestation as Fire...


Also in many FF games summons were you just calling a monster to aid you in battle, 4,6,10,11, and 13(never played tactics) are the only ones that have a summoner in this manifestation. In 8 you get tonberrys, to deathtrain. They say in the smn description if its special or not but in the end its still just a special monster and not like in the case of 4,10,11,13,14. Even in 4 summons were living beings and exist in the summon world and you can summon monsters to her aid(chocobo).

I think Siren would be a primal; after all isn't a primal just the aetheric manifestation of its worshipers? ...
Siren would only be a primal if she wasn't real and still in existence. It's stated in the quest times that she is in fact real and controls the souls of dead sailors and that Sirens(plural) have been around for quite a while. Saying Siren should be a primal is like saying every dragon should be a primal. She doesn't have worshipers just souls shes controls more like a necromancer meets bard and technically we don't know the real rules for primals yet we should get a big chunk of info since they said good king moogle is not a primal, in 2.0 at least thats what they have said so far as I believe he was one in 1.0, either but hes summoned it seems.

However with the property of Aeorzea I find it hard for beings to die because technically if you killed off all the sirens you could summon one back as a primal since its information is stored in the aether. However we still don't actually know how the Allag went about summoning and not being tempered, and we really don't know how(we know who) summoning/primals really came to be. They had to exist at one point in a physical form correct? or is it like a thought form where basically the Ascians told the beast men this is what Ifrit looks like(repeat), he will save you, worship him. How are primals able to temper from within the void?
With our current knowledge of primals its very possible that we ourselves are primals of the light and that's why we are called warriors of light, we exist because Aeorzea needs us and the reason they can't recall our faces is why all the warriors are different, they just thought of and worship warriors for their actions and their prayers caused us to come forth out of the void with no definitive features.

[Hvinire]

We spoke with the Lore team who mentioned that more story-related information behind the infamous Siren will be available in patch 2.1, but just to clarify, she's not a primal.

[Uki]

We spoke with the Lore team who mentioned that more story-related information behind the infamous Siren will be available in patch 2.1, but just to clarify, she's not a primal.

This, Siren is not a primal, she's just like Carbuncle, a summon.

[Grym]

She has nice boobs, I will be watching the PS dungeon boss intro a lot in my inn room.

Wait in what context did you mean by "thoughts on Siren"?

[Arkghyom]

She has nice boobs, I will be watching the PS dungeon boss intro a lot in my inn room.

Wait in what context did you mean by "thoughts on Siren"?

Dirty mages. Pfft!

It simply means she is a summon/eidolon/GF. Her background story is not that strong to make her a primal, even if she has the potential to be one. Take it as a secondary "primal" (wanderer/lone wolf archetype) whose purpose is to fulfill a minor role in the series.

[Ramsey]

Just because she was a Guardian Force in FFVIII does not mean she must be a summon or a primal in this game. Numerous game-specific summons exist which appeared before and after as monsters or characters. Look at Cait Sith who appears as a summon in FFVI and a character in FFVII. Just because golem was a summon in FFVI did you assume when you first saw a golem that he would be a primal?

Anyone who played the smith story in 1.0 can tell you that sirens already have a back story in Eorzea, but there's no indication that they are not simply creatures in their own right.