SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

[Kevee]

So have they actually confirmed any adjustment to bane? Someone in my fc mentioned it yesterday, but I can't find anything online to support it.

They have confirmed fixing the tooltip to say what the skill actually does.

[Zer0mr]

Yes, let's beat this dead horse some more.

Lol, seems there's still people waiting with paddles.

[Taerra]

FFXIV SMN = Rydia from FFIV

what are you smoking ??? Rydia was black mage / summoner ... with summons ranging from healing with asura, to protection with golem, to utility with carbuncle, or massive destruction with bahamut ... I don't see how Rydia can be called DoT class AT ALL ... who used virus seriously in the end-game ? NO ONE ... people would use bahamut/asura/meteo/flare ... She just has no comparison with a DoT based class like a Warlock.

Summoner at this moment has NOTHING to do with the CORE principles of summoners from the lore. SMN as it stands now is ruined and NOT comparable to the lore instituted in the former FF titles.

Keep the class, call it green mage or something and rebuild SMN from scratch.

[MasamuneBranford]

Legitimate question - what would be better for Coil? SMN or BLM? Do SMNs get into Coil parties? What would be in higher demand?

[T0rin]

Legitimate question - what would be better for Coil? SMN or BLM? Do SMNs get into Coil parties? What would be in higher demand?

Depends on the turn.

1 - SMN
2 - SMN
4 - BLM
5 - SMN

SMN actually have a hard time getting into a lot of parties, coil included, mainly due to parsing accuracy issues and stereotypes. So generally speaking, I'd say BLM would be in higher demand, unless the group actually knows the reality of the situation. Generally speaking, there are way fewer SMN than BLM, and considering you probably want one of both, SMN _should_ be in higher demand.

[Seobit]

If you suck at the game pick BLM, otherwise whichever one you prefer. Both are desirable.

[ticdup]

Legitimate question - what would be better for Coil? SMN or BLM? Do SMNs get into Coil parties? What would be in higher demand?

Both classes are very effective in Coil. There are parts of Coil where BLM outshines SMN and parts where SMN outshines BLM. Higher in demand completely depends on your server and the groups of people you are trying to get in with.

[T0rin]

what are you smoking ??? Rydia was black mage / summoner ... with summons ranging from healing with asura, to protection with golem, to utility with carbuncle, or massive destruction with bahamut ... I don't see how Rydia can be called DoT class AT ALL ... who used virus seriously in the end-game ? NO ONE ... people would use bahamut/asura/meteo/flare ... She just has no comparison with a DoT based class like a Warlock.

Summoner at this moment has NOTHING to do with the CORE principles of summoners from the lore. SMN as it stands now is ruined and NOT comparable to the lore instituted in the former FF titles.

Keep the class, call it green mage or something and rebuild SMN from scratch.

Rydia was a Summoner. That is the name of her job.

She had Black Magic, White Magic and Summon Magic spells. Like many Summoner jobs throughout the history of FF, they've had a diversity of non-Summon magic. Sometimes it is black, sometimes it is white, sometimes they literally have nothing but summons.

There is no definitive template for a Summoner in FF. It is whatever the hell SE makes it to be. The current incarnation of Summoner in FFXIV is most similar to Rydia's implementation of the Job. It has some iconic Black Magic spells, albeit with varying implementations in some cases. It has some White Magic spells. And it has summons.

True enough, that the FFXIV summoner has fewer Summons as a ratio of their total arsenal of ability magic, but it is still very much a Summoner class.

In the end, a Summoner is whatever SE makes it. This is now canon, whether anyone likes it or not.

[Ardan]

SMN as it stands now is ruined and NOT comparable to the lore instituted in the former FF titles.

You want ruined? Look at the release of SMN back in FFXI. It was probably the worst train wreck I've ever seen. The only summon you got at the start was Carbuncle and it wasn't until several updates later that you got new avatars to play with. They got the lore of the job right at least.

You cannot compare one title's lore to another. The lore of XIV is different to XIII's and is different to XII's and so on. A complete rebuild of the class isn't happening. End of story.

[Babydoll]

So have they actually confirmed any adjustment to bane? Someone in my fc mentioned it yesterday, but I can't find anything online to support it.

Here ya go,

http://omedon.tumblr.com/post/689910...erview-details