Why Ingenuity I and not Ingenuity II ?

[zsedc]

Ing II will save your money from forbidden melding in long run.

Doubt you can use Ing II when melding, how does it save money from forbidden melding?

[Ksenia]

Level Crp in advance of Blacksmith or level them together.

Blacksmith relies on a lot of other classes for components, Carpenter being one of them. Also I can say that all my rotations so far involve Byregot's Blessing. None of them involve Ingenuity, one or two. It isn't a matter of GP. It's a matter of cancelling out another action in my rotation trying to get it in to the sequence.

[scarebearz]

again, depends on craftmenship. There is a range where once you hit that craftmenship, everything magically becomes easier with ingenuity2.

A 370cp 100% suddenly turns into a 350cp 100% etc. or reverse.... a low craftsmanship becomes totally impossible to possible. (crafting with no AF is a pain without ingenuity2)

I've had to rely on ingenuity2 on serveral craft with a 275craftmenship because the job wasn't worth AF inventory

Your reply is pretty much in agreement with my quote "very limited usefulness".

With 275 craftsmanship, the hardest progress craft you'll be trying is 1 star 80 Dura, using Ing I you would finish with CSII x 3, that would be ideal when ending with Ing - GS - BB - CSII - CSII - CSII.

So from my pov, it's hardly worth leveling a craft to 50 for a skill you'll hardly ever need, if at all.

[Faeye]

Doubt you can use Ing II when melding, how does it save money from forbidden melding?

sorry, I word poorly. That's not what I meant.
Ing II allow us to finish HQ 2 stars with lesser stats requirement which equate to lesser requirement in forbidden melding and/or melding.

[kukurumei]

Your reply is pretty much in agreement with my quote "very limited usefulness".

With 275 craftsmanship, the hardest progress craft you'll be trying is 1 star 80 Dura, using Ing I you would finish with CSII x 3, that would be ideal when ending with Ing - GS - BB - CSII - CSII - CSII.

So from my pov, it's hardly worth leveling a craft to 50 for a skill you'll hardly ever need, if at all.

There are many much more worthless skills then ingenuity II and much more worthless 50 skills then ingenuity II.

Even careful synth II itself is fairly worthless in the bigger scheme of things.

You're just trying to draw a line in the sand when there's really a net of arbitrary lines, I have tapped ingenuity II way before I tap reclaim/flawless/innovation/WN2, etc, etc, etc.

Heck I haven't ever tapped flawless/WN2/reclaim ever, and innovation for rare lazyness, so that already bumps ingenuity II to 3rd-4th place.

[Ksenia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh9xaXB6vvs&hd=1

This is my current rotation and it works for both 40 and 80. Ingenuity isn't in there. With an 80 instead of 2 CS II you use four to end the Waste Not II and add a second comfort zone but the rotation pretty much stays the same.

I will add another vid later doing Finger sandwich. The method I am using isn't foolproof and the Finger Sandwich recipe allows you to see that. If someone tried to make a Philo mat 2 star with my Finger Sandwich rotation it would bite them in the ass but it works for 1 star stuff and allows you to make spirit bond grade gear, destined to be materia. The backbone to the entire crafting system really.

[scarebearz]

There are many much more worthless skills then ingenuity II and much more worthless 50 skills then ingenuity II.

Even careful synth II itself is fairly worthless in the bigger scheme of things.

You're just trying to draw a line in the sand when there's really a net of arbitrary lines, I have tapped ingenuity II way before I tap reclaim/flawless/innovation/WN2, etc, etc, etc.

Heck I haven't ever tapped flawless/WN2/reclaim ever, and innovation for rare lazyness, so that already bumps ingenuity II to 3rd-4th place.

Being a more useful skill than WNII, Reclaim and Flawless, does not make it a useful/needed skill...

Flawless is of more use to most people, i.e. those leveling a new craft.

Also the fact you use Ing II, again does not make it needed.

"Limited usefulness" and "worthless" are not the same thing...

Instead of arguing with me about Ing II, why not answer the OP's question?

Should he get Byregot's + Ing or Ing II first?

[Faeye]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh9xaXB6vvs&hd=1

This is my current rotation and it works for both 40 and 80. Ingenuity isn't in there. With an 80 instead of 2 CS II you use four to end the Waste Not II and add a second comfort zone but the rotation pretty much stays the same.

I will add another vid later doing Finger sandwich. The method I am using isn't foolproof and the Finger Sandwich recipe allows you to see that. If someone tried to make a Philo mat 2 star with my Finger Sandwich rotation it would bite them in the ass but it works for 1 star stuff and allows you to make spirit bond grade gear, destined to be materia. The backbone to the entire crafting system really.

Why don't you have your ILevel 55 Main Tools yet? It's easy to get through your last class quest.

[Ksenia]

Why don't you have your ILevel 55 Main Tools yet? It's easy to get through your last class quest.

I have some, others I don't but I will make it a point of spirit bonding the 48 I leveled with in either case. The 55 main hands aren't needed for anything but two star and every spirit bond counts.

[Grembo]

I can finish all my crafts with Ingenuity + Careful Synthesis x3, even if Ingenuity II allowed me to use one less Careful Synthesis it would still be irrelevant.

I have some, others I don't but I will make it a point of spirit bonding the 48 I leveled with in either case. The 55 main hands aren't needed for anything but two star and every spirit bond counts.

It's not like crafting is the only way to spirit bond your out dated tools