Anyone see this yet? 2 WAR Coil T5

[Maqaqa]

And again, this is his party's problem.
Not yours.

If his party chosed to bring a war to the coil because:
a) their friend Paikis happens to play a war (fool!)
b) war might suck now but its going to be buffed and rock hard, so lets gear it now
c) roleplaying (lmao)
d) w/ever

Who are you to tell them they are doing it wrong?
They got down TT, and they are obviously doing it right.

[Leiron]

And again, this is his party's problem.
Not yours.

Pardon but if you are going to make this statement, then you have no reason to come to his defense, or anyone else's for that matter.
It is their problem, don't come riding up on their virtual crotch because you happen to play the same class.
No one is attacking him for what he plays, so the need to defend him is unnecessary.

a,b,c,d nonsense.

Who cares?
What relevance does this have besides adding to your unnecessary rant?
No one cares for the reasons for bringing a WAR.

Who are you to tell them they are doing it wrong?
They got down TT, and they are obviously doing it right.

Oh drop the self righteous act.
Who are you to say that I am wrong in my appraisal of it?
You're speaking dramatically in the hopes that some...morale justice will be done.
This ain't court

When you pick a tank, you pick them on three premises.

1. How well they hold agro.
2. How well they take damage.
3. What utilities they bring, including damage.

WAR only has a slight edge in number 1, so they both generate roughly the same enmity. Bring either tank at this point.
In number 2? It is unreasonably in the favor of PLD. WAR cannot take the same damage as PLD can. Now you're picking PLD.
In terms of 3? WAR loses horribly to PLD. PLD has gcd stunning that has no CD, a silence, and a cover. WAR has a 30s stun thats oGCD. Bring the PLD. You get...what? Single digit worth percentile of damage over PLD. Yeah... not a biggie.

So if you're not bringing the PLD, you're being sub-optimal.
Ergo, you're not making your chances as good as can be.
In turn, it is reasonable to say that you are indeed doing it wrong, because you're making a willful choice to use a sub par class.

If it hurts your feelings, then that is on you, your feelings nor your pride should be hurt.
Welcome to...everything in life.

[Maqaqa]

When you pick a tank, you pick them on three premises.

This is what you do when you pick a tank.

Someone else picks the job they like for w/ever reason.
I played WARs for like 15 years, not gonna switch to PLD because the developers of this game got the balance wrong.
PLD is reliced, geared and available, if needed. IF.

[Leiron]

This is what you do when you pick a tank.

Someone else picks the job they like for w/ever reason.
I played WARs for like 15 years, not gonna switch to PLD because the developers of this game got the balance wrong.
PLD is reliced, geared and available, if needed. IF.

I do not believe you even recall where the base of this argument is coming from.
Paikis stated that he was doing hard mode.
I stated it was silly.
You thens tated pld/pld was easy mode.
I countered that.

You're now going up in arms about why someone plays a WAR, which was not at all related to the discussion before.

Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

If you want to argue preferences that is fine, I agree with you on that idea.
Hell I personally use a Warrior for everything EXCEPT coil because to me, its a much more enjoyable tanking class.


But if you are going to try and argue that its some silly "difficulty" mode, then I am going to point out you are wrong.
Now if you want to continue this discussion that is fine, but ffs figure out what you are arguing exactly.

[Maqaqa]

Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

This is funny coming from you Leiron. You are getting more bitter everyday.

[kayuwoody]

Just playing devil's advocate here but you're arguing semantics Leiron. The 'hard' mode isn't incorrect because the party is facing a harder kill due to people wilfully playing suboptimal classes.

[Paikis]

BC is balanced around Warrior tank. Paladins are being used to make the fights easier by completely ignoring mechanics. What else can you call it BUT easy mode?

Regardless of a choice made to bring one tank or the other, when one tank is blatantly more powerful than the one the game was balanced around, deliberately choosing to use 2 of the more powerful tank makes it easy mode.

[Maqaqa]

Hell I personally use a Warrior for everything EXCEPT coil because to me, its a much more enjoyable tanking class.

And now i can understand your point of view.
You cant do it, and so are attacking anyone that can.

[Viridiana]

Just playing devil's advocate here but you're arguing semantics Leiron. The 'hard' mode isn't incorrect because the party is facing a harder kill due to people wilfully playing suboptimal classes.

I'd have to disagree.

Take, for example, Final Fantasy Tactics. Now, the default game, if played in a normal fashion, is moderately challenging. Once you're familiar with the default settings, though, there's not much challenge left. Thus were challenges born, such as playing through the entire game using only one job and only abilities from that job. Then doing the same thing solo. Not to discredit the players who've accomplished some of these challenges (and the crazy strategies they sometimes forged), but this can't really be called "hard mode." Nothing about the game has changed; it's just "normal mode" as played by bored people with too much time on their hands.

Then you have some of the versions of the game created by liberal use of gameshark. Such as Version 1.3, which vastly alters a lot of the game, making it significantly more difficult. This would be an actual "hard mode."

[Paikis]

Playing with a Warrior tank is 'normal mode' because that's how the game was balanced; around Warrior tanks. Deliberately choosing to use 2 Paladins in order to circumvent or ignore game mechanics is 'easy mode' because it is a good bit easier than doing it with those mechanics still in place. The mechanics might still be there, but it is significantly more difficult to beat the fights the way they were intended, rather than just abusing PLD cooldowns to ignore mechanics.

Like it or not, you're playing on 'easy mode' when you chose to take the 'easy tank'.