Play Monday, take rest of week of.

[Arriverderci]

I just wish I had your free time, capping tomes in 1 day? Rly?

Do you realise that is stuff you can do, you know, outside?

I think people who pay $15 a month want to make their time worth it.
Not log in 4 times a month for like 3 hours or so.

[amnie]

LOL, "trash mobs"" is not content...they are talking story line, progression, working hard for a weapon...that's content. trash mobs is not content. I feel for you white knoghts though if you think the "Demon Wall" is end game.

that's funny. in TSW there's little to no trash mobs (base game, anyway, haven't done any of the newer stuff in a while)
now guess what people were seriously complaining about.

one man's content is another man's trash.



if really all you care about is progression raiding don't sub and wait for the next harder content to be released. it's not like there's no other games around. (and if you're bored of all the other games, too, then maybe it's really not the game that is the issue at all)

[Astarica]

I think people who pay $15 a month want to make their time worth it.
Not log in 4 times a month for like 3 hours or so.

If your goal is to maximize the numbers of hours played per $ spent, you should be playing WoW, or better yet a F2P game.

[Xystic]

Tell me what there is to do for guys like myself? and don't say something dumb like "Complete hunting log" or "cap GC seals". And don't especially say "help people" because yes I do that often, but even Superman has to be Clark Kent once and a while.

First of all, Welcome to MMOs.

In order for any MMO to release any new content specifically progression content this criteria MUST be met:

A) A majority of the community (Raider and casual) must have done ALL the content. Meaning twintania also needs to be downed by a majority of the community.

At the current time, anywhere from 70% to 100% of FCs are unable to complete all of the current progression content. You can check up all the NA/EU progression threads and you will see just how many people are not finished with the current content. The progression threads also are comprised of people who are heavily raid orientated. If the heavily raid orientated people are not even completely thru the current content, where does the casual population stand? Most likely not even close and this can be supported by the fact that 2.1 is releasing support gear or lower ilvl gear to speed up the rate of progression. Any veteran MMO player or MMO theologist can tell you that 2.1 should be a slap in the face to raiding community. You claim to be this far but in truth your not even close. 2.1 is at our door steps and we still have 70%-100% of FCs thru out the servers still unable to complete all content.

Its true that some people have indeed completed the current content but like I stated earlier, unless the community itself is at a point for new progression, no new progression will be added because thats how MMOs work! We move together as a whole and thats because it causes the MMO to be much more stable. If the majority of the raiding community and casual community had indeed done all content, we would have seen crystal tower as progression content or received progression content. No MMO to date has ever denied the majority of their community progression content when they truly did indeed have the numbers to support it.

Even if we don't have the actual numbers, speculation of the current data still puts us at such a far number its not even silly.

For example:

If the progression threads indeed represented 99% or more of the population, that still puts 70% or so of the community unable to do the current content. This is assuming everyone is represented by the raiding FCs.

In truth, casuals by far, out number the raider populations. So even in the most extreme speculations, we can see we aren't even close to deserving new progression content.

For players who don't like this community thing, there is another style of game that fits your needs. They are called single player rpgs or multiplayer rpgs where the world progresses based on where you or your party are currently at. If you choose to play MMOs you must follow MMO theology. If you don't like it, its called single player RPGs. This is how MMOs came to life as well, people who wanted to interact with the world rather then have the world interact with them.

Some have counter argued that content should be released to just those progressing anyways. We saw this occur once, in one of the biggest MMOs in history, WoW. We released content based on raider progression and it demolished the casual community and the raiding community, forcing an expansion to come out so fast it was ridiculous. Yoshida if i'm not mistaken also played WoW and I'm sure he saw the same thing. WoW decided to release Naxx40 to players like you who demanded new content when the majority of the community was 2 content sets back. The casual community was so far behind they could not reach the forward teams and the forward teams were running out of people to recruit because the casuals were so far back. It took nearly 1 year to gear people. Real life time 1 Year! It was utter chaos.

Based off your reply, you don't want to do this or that and want to do little with the world. Single player RPGs are much better suited for players like you. Sorry but its the truth. What you don't like, is one of the fundamentals MMOs~

[Kakaarato]

Wow that was a very long post above me, but very inciteful as well. But your missing some key things.

If a person wanted to they can be end game ready in 2 weeks playing casually. 1 week hardcore. Then what? What if they don't wanna level anything else but WHM. So play coil. cap tomes...maybe for a few weeks. Then realize this game is not for them... Leave and tells their friends don't bother playing and so on and so on...

But I see where ppl are coming from this game is definitely not for any hardcore gamer...I wish they didn't ruin XI

[Aozenzen]

It's so cute how people think the majority of their FC represents the majority of the player base or even better - their "friends" represent the majority of the player base. While everyone has a right to their opinion, SE has the actual numbers to see how the true average player base is doing, and obviously most are either still gearing up or working anywhere between T1 - T4. Hence, the reason why there is no rush to go beyond coil just yet.

[Kakaarato]

Wow that was a very long post above me, but very inciteful as well. But your missing some key things.

If a person wanted to they can be end game ready in 2 weeks playing casually. 1 week hardcore. Then what? What if they don't wanna level anything else but WHM. So play coil. cap tomes...maybe for a few weeks. Then realize this game is not for them... Leave and tells their friends don't bother playing and so on and so on...

But I see where ppl are coming from this game is definitely not for any hardcore gamer...I wish they didn't ruin XI

[Xystic]

Wow that was a very long post above me, but very inciteful as well. But your missing some key things.

If a person wanted to they can be end game ready in 2 weeks playing casually. 1 week hardcore. Then what? What if they don't wanna level anything else but WHM. So play coil. cap tomes...maybe for a few weeks. Then realize this game is not for them... Leave and tells their friends don't bother playing and so on and so on...

But I see where ppl are coming from this game is definitely not for any hardcore gamer...I wish they didn't ruin XI

This is where we label these players as the hardcore elite. They have always sat at the forefront of all MMO progressions. When you reach that point where you've done everything you want:

A) You sit and wait
B) Find something else to do
C) Turn around and start pushing casuals thru content cause this will force new progression content faster then anything else. Who better to listen to then the people who have done all the content themselves?

In any MMO you always have a population which sits at the forefront, even XI.

Unfortunately many people don't understand the ideology behind MMOs. I gave you a short short version so you understood why MMOs are as they are and why we can't do what people want with the flick of the fingers cause one little mistake can destroy an entire MMO.

Good luck on your future adventures~

[Astarica]

The definition of 'hardcore elite' must have changed, because back in the old days, the elite were elite because they can finish the stuff that took other people 5 days of raiding in one day, because they're that good/efficient. Yes, you could be spending a very long time wiping while learning this stuff, but the goal was always to get to a point where you can clear all the raiding stuff in one day unless you're talking about a game with excessive amount of trash, and pretty much nobody wants more trash in their raiding stuff anyway. And the thing is, the elite were usually happy that they're that efficeint so that they can do something else with their life that doesn't involve raiding. I mean, if you want to have endless raiding, just lead a PUG in any MMORPG. You'll easily get endless hours of dying to stupid things to prolong your raiding experience.

[Tisten]

The definition of 'hardcore elite' must have changed Yes, you could be spending a very long time wiping while learning this stuff And the thing is, the elite were usually happy that they're that efficeint I mean, if you want to have endless raiding, just lead a PUG in any MMORPG. You'll easily get endless hours of dying to stupid things to prolong your raiding experience.

Clear the content in a day/night, spend the next few scheduled raiding nights in the MMO's PTR learning the new content that hasn't gone live yet..... Then once its live, clear it the first week in the first few nights, clear it for the next three weeks to have it officially on farm status. That's usually a hardcore raiding guild theme. I think the PTR for ff14 right now is only available to the legacy players? Would love it if it was open to everyone. Get into the PTR, learn the new raid content before its live and be the first to kill it.. RAH!!