melee dps buffs + bard nerf = cumulative effect too much?

[MomoOG]

I don't think a good number of people understand why the changes to BRD are happening. BRD is getting their adjustment not because they are the highest dps, and I'm pretty sure everyone including the devs know that BRD is the lowest dps out of all the dps jobs. The problem is that BRD dps is SUFFICIENT enough plus their utility/safety factor that makes them be favored for the dps spot. If a group has enough sufficent dps to overcome any dps race but at the same time has much higher probability of succeeding due to safety/utility then who cares if they are bringing the "lowest" dps out of dps options. I don't think any groups are concerned about completing coil turns 15-20 seconds sooner because they could bring a higher pure dps job. Groups just want to make it as easy as possible and BRD does that. BRD dps is lowest but it is not that far off that it really matters that its lower given how much more trivial it makes encounters.

I personally think that they should have just made brd a lot more complicated to keep it in check rather then nerfing it.

[Phai]

Good point

Thats the truth.
I wounder how far Down brd's dps must go to have the effect they want to solve the issue. Iv seen SE crush class's before due to diffrent issues, but time will show.
The sad part is that i dont think it will solve any problem for melee classes in coil.
Remove brd, and still there will be 3 ranged classes + 1 melee. And that again would leave drg even further Down on list over wanted classes in coil.
Looking forward to se what SE have in mind on the issue

[StrejdaTom]

Thats the truth.
I wounder how far Down brd's dps must go to have the effect they want to solve the issue. Iv seen SE crush class's before due to diffrent issues, but time will show.
The sad part is that i dont think it will solve any problem for melee classes in coil.
Remove brd, and still there will be 3 ranged classes + 1 melee. And that again would leave drg even further Down on list over wanted classes in coil.
Looking forward to se what SE have in mind on the issue

The difference is now 220 vs 330 +-? seems low enough for me, I am not really sure how low does the dmg have to get to make people satisfied.

[sKe7ch]

If anyone is seriously complaining about a support a class being geared more towards support, they need to calm their teets down.
This game is new and not everything is set in stone.
If they make brd into more support and add more classes in the future, the game will get much much better in my opinion.
At this current time everything is too generic, all the jobs feel the same and overall. It's too easy.

By adding more diverse play styles and classes, we can then start to see more party setups, more ways to defeat different situations, and gives SE more chances to design different types of encounters. Thus increasing the playability and enjoyment of the game.

In XI the jobs were introduced, but used COMPLETELY different then how they were intended. Thus causing SE to adjust gear, abilities and jobs based on how the COMMUNITY used them. We evolved the game over time.

So have an open mind people and stop bitching about every single thing.
This coming from an old XI Vet.

[Bardo]

If anyone is seriously complaining about a support a class being geared more towards support, they need to calm their teets down.

I would completely support your opinion if the DF had any idea what to do with a "support class", or if there were no dps race fights in the game tuned for every other dps... or hell, even if Bard support was actually useful in 4mans to compensate for the lower damage.

However the DF considers Bard to be DD, Yoshi has explicitly told us that they have NO intention of adding a support role to the DF, there are dps race mechanics that Bards have to overgear compared to other DD classes, and Bard utility is virtually useless in 4mans.

So if anyone is seriously complaining about the nerf complaints, they need to calm their teets down.
The complaints are justified with the information we have and the current state of the game.
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Bard will still be fine in raids because the support actually makes up for the lower damage. But raiding is only part of the game and the same can't be said of most 4mans, where the 2.1 changes will almost certainly make Bard the worst DD to take by quite a large margin.
If the dps nerf was accompanied by a change that made bard support useful in smaller groups, then I'd agree with you that the complaints were unnecessary.

[Leon_Stormrage]

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And I would agree with you IF SE didnt say that Bard was supposed to be a DPS class in 2.0, they said that and a lot of people selected bard for this reason, and now after a lot of time inverted they want to change it to "support" again? Meh... really meh

[AunaYuuki]

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You know a Monk who can do their silence rotation and a SCH with Selene can out do coil turn 2? You don't NEED bards it just makes things easier.Your argument is basically stating "HUR I BEEN COIL YOU HAVENT". There are teams who take full melee DDs and one mage to other turns just because of their crazy DD output and only use bards in t2. Did you know 50% of all bard players leveled it as an alt class? Meaning It isn't their main. Its fact that people with multiple classes leveled/geared are involved with higher progression raiding then those who are stuck with a static class. Most coil bards swap out in competitive groups. Why? Because their DD output isn't as great and for fights not like t2 they are not needed. A friend of mines group burns through t4 so fast they get both drednaughts down before attacking the knights at the end. You are the typical drg casual and as I say this you think you should be top DPS just for a bigger e-penor.

[AunaYuuki]

Stupid limit:

People claiming that bards do more damage in t2 is because ADS has a piercing debuff and less dodge able forces at distant. A true damage testhas been said to be on bosses such as demon wall or a boss where everyone has to dodge the same mechanics. No debuffs on the boss DRGs piercing debuff ups bard damage. People have done parser tests end game i90 gear/allagan weapons and bards still do the lowest dps by about 20 points. Monks GL and DRG are getting boosted and it'll put the gap even further even IF the bard class wasn't getting nerfed. If it gets hit hard that gap will widen people wont want to play bards anymore as an alt or as a main. Now people say bard is suppose to they are "support." Yoshi did state that bard is not a support class in 2.0. He wanted to do away with it because of bard being fairly useless in 1.0. End game raiding bards rarely have to play a mages ballad especially if you double scholar like hard core progression groups are doing.

You guys want different set ups? At this rate you are heading towards 1.0 again with Garuda bringing 7 black mages to a party.

[Phai]

If anyone is seriously complaining about a support a class being geared more towards support, they need to calm their teets down.

I see.

This game is new and not everything is set in stone.

Getting dizzy, but ok.

If they make brd into more support and add more classes in the future, the game will get much much better in my opinion.

Its alot of "if's" and i wounder if u try to argue against urself or the rest in this thread, but go on.

all the jobs feel the same and overall.

Pld / War just have diffrent collor on armor right?
Drg / Mnk, not sure those agree whit u, but i asume ur correct, since ur a xi vet and all.
Whm / Sch, yeh who can tell the diffrence....
Blm / smn hell yeh, they are both ranged and use mana, same thing...
Brd, her u are wrong, most people trash this class in every way they can, i bet they feel a bit diffrent atm.

By adding more diverse play styles and classes, we can then start to see more party setups, more ways to defeat different situations, and gives SE more chances to design different types of encounters. Thus increasing the playability and enjoyment of the game.

Hell yeh, they are deleting all 4 man conten in 2.1? so we are stuck whit PM, CM,CT, Primals and coil?
I felt that SE kinda put a limit to ur point there whit 4 man content.
U do know most people use more time capping myth's now than clearing Coil T1-T4? Or did u skip all 4man content and the gear grind frenzy?

So have an open mind people and stop bitching about every single thing.
This coming from an old XI Vet.

Jupp, u nail'd it, i feel blessed -.-

[StrejdaTom]

If anyone is seriously complaining about a support a class being geared more towards support, they need to calm their teets down.

And what exactly are they doing to make DPS Bard class more supportive? Lowering dps does not make you support. Bard has only 3 supportive skills and only 1 can be used at the same time, thats all.. What about giving us CNJ cross skills while lowering dps. 3 ballads, raise, stoneskin, heal.. yup, that seems pretty supportive to me. ))