I must say this thread gave me a laugh. Relics are so easy to obtain that people even got 9 of them. Me, myself only got one, and I am on turn 5 in Coil. I do not have relic +1, I only got normal relic, yet turn 1-4 is easily doable. Relic +1 is probably my least prioritized item at the moment as I'm a tank, and it is NOT needed for anyone before turn 5. Heck, if you gear up to full ilvl 90 except for weapon u can do it without the +1 aswell. To beat Twintania, you deserve something very good in return, and something that just for a few jobs were BiS is not a proper reward, at least not in my opinion. And saying that casuals can't obtain such gear? Sure they can! Turn 1-4 in Coil after some practice (which u just need to do 1-3 times a week, 1-3 hours each time), can be done in about 1 hour. How is that not casual? To only NEED to log in 2-3 times a week for 2 hours?People who complain about relic not being best item in game seriously should reconsider why they are playing this game.