[Dev1070] repair system: what do you think?

[Chardrizard]

sorry but what time spent isn't a factor in prices in most mmo community. You guys are not spending months or weeks making one item. stop acting like ya do. You guys act like crafting is the hardest thing to do in this game... Woo. no its not I crafted and it is actually very easy to do. Sorry but your craft is not like a real life job. Nor is a game economy like a real life one.

You don't just able to make all item with a rank 1 craft, you takes the time to rank the craft up.

It's like telling me a book supossedly only cost $2 because printing a book costs that much. Hi it turns out you pay for whats written inside the book, you pay for the author's works, his craftmanship at writing a story is what makes you pay $20-30 for a book. It is not the mats of the book, neither it is how easy to produce the book, its easy because everything is automated with a machine. SPOT A SIMILARITY?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

In any case, the market is what determines the price because a price can only be what the consumer is willing to pay. When demand is high and supply is low, prices tend to go up. That's just how it works. Though I have to say, I'm not sure what wards you are shopping in where hemp anything is selling at 4 mil gil. Exaggerating for effect

no i forgot the item name. :P This is stuff I know about and talking. No one is saying supply vs demand. they are saying "the time I spent playing this game on my craft= the price i'm selling for" as if they are a real artisan.

This is again the ONLY mmo where cost was effected by "time spent" on something not mat. costs or supply vs demand.
I'm sorry but honestly there is no logic to time = fee. Since time is not the same to everyone.
Not everyone is good at making money game or real life. Honestly I am seriously fed up with the crafters attitudes on this game. there is no real reason to charge 70K for an R7 oil bronze pick axe (at the lowest price)

[Kilta_Firelotus]

You don't just able to make all item with a rank 1 craft, you takes the time to rank the craft up.

It's like telling me a book supossedly only cost $2 because printing a book costs that much. Hi it turns out you pay for whats written inside the book, you pay for the author's works, his craftmanship at writing a story is what makes you pay $20-30 for a book. It is not the mats of the book, neither it is how easy to produce the book, its easy because everything is automated with a machine. SPOT A SIMILARITY?

writing book is in real life crafting on a game is fake. Learn to tell the difference. Again this is the ONLY mmo where time was taken into account in pricing for repairs or selling crafted gear. No one in ffxi made a stink about how long it took to craft and why they charge 70K for a R7 item... o wait... Level 7 items in ffxi were 700g-3K each Even when they were in demand.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Also it takes a person up to 6 years to write 1 story. It takes you guys 20 second to make 1 log into 4 (8 if hq) lumber. Which then it takes another 20 seconds to craft that wood into something else. So no I do not see the similarity.

[Chardrizard]

writing book is in real life crafting on a game is fake. Learn to tell the difference. Again this is the ONLY mmo where time was taken into account in pricing for repairs or selling crafted gear. No one in ffxi made a stink about how long it took to craft and why they charge 70K for a R7 item... o wait... Level 7 items in ffxi were 700g-3K each Even when they were in demand.

Lets go to basic demand and supply rules.

if r7 oil axe for 70k is overpriced, it will never sells.
seller will lower the price after a while.
prices will keeps going down if there are no demands or buyers are not willing to pay at sellers price.

if r7 oil axe for 70k sells, means there are demands.
If the price still stays at 70k after few weeks, means there are plenty of demands and you just suck at making gil.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Also, not for nothing, but newbie gear is extremely easy to make, repair, and find the mats for those repairs. You can do almost all of it right at level 1. This game is extremelyfriendly to newbies because they can easily do it all themselves in the first ten levels, without help, and without having to pay.

What if a person only wants to level 1 class type? say fighter.... And need to get stuff repaired by other players. How can they afford a 10K fee? (since 1-4K is too low id assume 10K is fair)

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Lets go to basic demand and supply rules.

if r7 oil axe for 70k is overpriced, it will never sells.
seller will lower the price after a while.
prices will keeps going down if there are no demands or buyers are not willing to pay at sellers price.

if r7 oil axe for 70k sells, means there are demands.
If the price still stays at 70k after few weeks, means there are plenty of demands and you just suck at making gil.

Not everyone is good at making gil dude, or has the time to do so. Why should they be force to quit a game because of greedy players?

[Wynn]

To me, the time spent is equivalent to supply because only those who took the time to get to that level can make it. The more people that make it to rank 40 for example, the more rank 40 doodads that are on the market and the cheaper they get, if demand isn't there to take them out of the economy.

However, I agree with you, 70k is outrageous for a rank 7 anything. I fight against that kind of stuff on my server.

But:

1. oiled bronze pickaxe is level 18 which requires an alchemist to either purchase the original pickaxe from the wards or get someone else to make it for them. Those kinds of things tend to be expensive unless the crafter has multiple crafts leveled and can make the base item his or herself. Not saying it is worth 70k but that particular item isn't a good one to use as an example because of its nature as an "enhanced item."

2. True r7 items can be made practically at level 1 just by picking up the weathered tools, so nobody should be paying 70k for anything in that level range. They should just make it.

[Chardrizard]

You dont need repair from r1-r20 because you rank too fast for stuff to detoriates to yellow color lol, so yeah either you dont play or you whines for the sake of it. Also 1-3k is usually the fee for r1-r20 stuff.

and you definitely never made a finished goods.

this is recipe for hempen cowl a r1 cowl
http://ffxiv.yg.com/recipe/hempen-cowl?id=429

it takes,
Lightning Shard x42 (42x100 = 4200g)
Earth Shard x34 (34 x 150 = 5100g)
Wind Shard x6 (6 x 400 = 2400g)
Moko Grass x 14 (14 x 100 = 1400g)

13100g total to make a hempen cowl and this is undyed one, colored cowl will costs more.

[Renshi]

Hello everyone, i made this topic to talk about the repair system, which is a very important thing to fix in this game in my opinion.

Think about it: you can get to 20 in a couple days with a disciple of war/magic and you will need in no time 4-5 craft at the same lvl to carry out your own repairs by yourself.

Do you think this is balanced? It just forces people to have to deal with crafts even if they don't like to

The repair thing is really a nice thing but admit it guys : The repair NPC is just RIDICULOUS...he's just useless.

So what do you think guys? i like crafting but i'd appreciate a way to repair our gears without needing 4-5 crafts at 50, That's not fair to the people like me who don't have 30-40 hours a week to craft.

So i'm officially asking for a NPC who can repair things as normal crafters, or at least equip that doesn't decrease if durability if the lvl/class is right ( that would actually assign a meaning to the fact that you can equip just everything. )

Let me know what do you think

Heya!

Why would you rank up your Hand classes even though you hate them?
There are other crafters in the world, so you can ask them, and NO. There's NO EXCUSE to ask for other Players repairs!
Gotta lotta money?
Gotta repair yo wahpuns?
Put dem in yo Bazaar fo' 5-10k! =)

Repair NPCs are just a hotfix. You can use your weapon for like 7 hours with a 100% durability or going 5 hours with a 75%, which is a good hotfix until you search for a crafter who wants to repair your equipment.

I see this as an attempt to build bounds with other players. You can start chit-chats with repairs =D