Warrior Full DPS Rotation?

[TaneshimaPopura]

Sword Oath catches up... All the time...

Turn 1 Paladin can Sword Oath / FoF any time do slimes before split phase which already put them in the lead, 1-2 Stack you can still stay in Sword Oath just fine.

Turn 2 3 mini ADS all tanked using Sword Oath, main ADS using Sword Oath when OTing.

Turn 4 W1 Sword Oath single targeting all, W2 Sword Oath when Soldier is down, W3 Sword Oath if OT, W4 Sword Oath if you aren't taking all the bugs with 1 Rook, W5 same deal Sword oath after Soldier is down/incapacitated > Dreadnaught. W6 Sword Oath after Rook, W5 Dreadnaught and Soldier are down.

Turn 5 P1 Sword Oath once Scourges are down, P2 Sword Oath all the way, FoF on odd numbered Conflags, P3 Sword Oath during Kite if you are doing it, Sword Oath after Meteor and Snakes are down, P4 Sword Oath all day long, P5 Sit in NeuroLink and Sword Oath all day long.

HM Titan OT sit in Sword Oath all day long...

HM Ifrit OT sit in Sword Oath all day long...

HM Garuda OT sit in Sword Oath all day long pop Rampart/Sentinel/Bulwark to replace the small need to reduce damage.

So really tell me.... How is a hardly 30% DPS increase able to beat the Paladin who has all round safer offensive CD, and 2 off GCD skills with 300 and 250 potency? And has a better TP sustainability.


Answer... they don't... They just can't DPS meter proves that.

[Veerne]

I use the following rotation when "DPSing", mostly to maximize Storm's Eye debuff uptime.

I stay out of Defiance just to keep my threat low at all times.
1. Heavy Swing -> Maim -> Storm's Eye
2. Heavy Swing -> Skull Sunder -> Butcher's Block
3. Heavy Swing -> Skull Sunder -> Butcher's Block
4. Storm's Eye wears off -> Fracture, if not already applied (DoTs do not benefit from resistance reduction) -> Go to 1.

If the target does not require stunning, throw a Brutal Swing between hits as often as you can, same with Mercy Stroke once it becomes available. Use cooldowns - Berserk and Internal Release - together as much as possible, preferably after applying Storm's Eye debuff, and try getting a Fracture off before Berserk wears off.

[Exstal]

Threat tl;dr

Warrior just be boss main tank and let PLD be DPS OT chump

[wlakiz]

Snip

"Sit in Sword Oath all day long" doesn't mean you will actually be attacking all day long, unless you're telling me that you would eat weights, bombs and landslides just so you can put in more dps? Warriors' burst is more useful and effective in killing Ifirit spikes, we can kill garuda's plums more effectively than pally's sword oath auto attack. We can get people out of gaols and burst the heart down better than a pally in sword oath.

Turn 1: You won't be tanking in sword oath for first 2 stacks because your snap aggro generation is terrible, unless you tell the dps to hold back. Warriors can actually hold aggro without defiance on thanks to our burst.
Turn 2. Again, you won't be using sword oath, cause your aggro gen sucks. If we OT we would do more damage cause we can mitigate the slashing resistance with our debuff.. you can't.
Turn 4. Again, shitty aggro generation any time you want to tank with Sword Oath.
Turn 5. Our Burst is better for dreadknight, conflags, snakes.. etc. Your sword oath doesn't provide much benefits to those mechanics.

Your 300 pot skill assumes you have full hp.. not likely to happen when you're tanking in sword oath and not sure about which skill you are referring to with the 250 pot. Warrior's 300 pot is unmitigated in any stance, with ~20s cooldown, we have constant crit%, miam + slashing debuff.

If you truly believe an OT pally would provide the same dps utility as an OT warrior then there's nothing more I can say.

[Exstal]

Warrior's 300 pot is unmitigated in any stance, with ~20s cooldown, we have constant crit%, miam + slashing debuff.

So you're saying you're going to be off tanking in Defiance? Not to mention, why are you saying PLD is tanking in Sword Oath?

[wlakiz]

So you're saying you're going to be off tanking in Defiance? Not to mention, why are you saying PLD is tanking in Sword Oath?

from TaneshimaPopura

Turn 1 Paladin can Sword Oath / FoF any time do slimes before split phase which already put them in the lead, 1-2 Stack you can still stay in Sword Oath just fine.

Turn 2 3 mini ADS all tanked using Sword Oath, main ADS using Sword Oath when OTing.

[TaneshimaPopura]

Sword Oath is no where near weaker in getting threat as compared to Shield Oath, in fact it is better at getting threat than Shield Oath. Proven and tested.

If you are OT you can stay on Titan/hit something all day long really, if you memorize his rotation my uptime on on Titan is almost 95% of the time only 5 % is due to Bomb Boulders. Ifrit I'd rather stay on him to interrupt that 1 eruption that happens during Nail Phase, sides Warrior burst is negated when you have a BLM/SMN to Meteor down the Nails all you asking for is just betting pacified laters. On Garuda, SoC plumes spawn already beats Steel Cyclone by a wide margin, what you wanna Overpower more than 2 times here and TP starve yourself even more? Seriously...get a clue.

Turn 1 fact... I took new split Caduceus with Sword Oath moved him and tanked him till 2nd stack came, Shield Oath just before the transition Hood Swing to 3 stacks.

Turn 2 fact... I tanked all mini ADS in Sword Oath poping Rampart at 3 debuffs. No threat issues.

Turn 3 fact...
Wave 1 by the end of the wave I took at least 3 of the Bugs my rotating single target Halone combo on them in Sword Oath stance.
Wave 2 Though establishing threat would be good on Sword Oath it isn't used cause I need the 20% mitigation. After one soldier is incapacitated, Sword Oath it is and down the knight goes.
Wave 3 Why don't you Sword Oath really? Only swap to Shield Oath if on Wave 4 you are taking all the bugs + 1 Rook. Precombo so that you have Halone when the Rook lands.
Wave 4 Rook does piss poor damage unless you are silly enough to let them cast that gay Pox skill on you.
Wave 5 and 6 same as Wave 2 reasoning.

300 Potency skill is almost always 300 potency if you know how to time it well it is no on a GCD... 250 potency is forever 250 potency skill aka Circle of Scorn. Yet if you are OTing in Defiance you are reducing your damage more than the Paladin in no stance already. Even more so if he is in Sword Oath. You have to be in Defiance cause you lose 25% MaxHP and 15% healing received. Storm Eye debuff only benefits Warriors and Paladin.

Do you really want to go to Turn 5 against someone who has cleared it? Tried it as Warrior for shit and giggles and still went back to Paladin?

Fact you don't use Defiance while OTing unless you plan to Unchained combo or just Infuriate Inner Beast for minimal damage increase and possible gimp your damage if you do it wrong. When Big Snake is left there is no reason for you to stay in Defiance. You don't want to use Defiance when a Dreadknight comes, best case scenario get 5 wrath stack and wait for the Dreadknight to come but that itself you gimped your DPS on Twintania. Paladin can sit in Neurolink for Eggbombs in Sword Oath whereas Warriors it is not advisable.

Just no where. That a maximum potential played Warrior vs a maxumum potential played Paladin that the warrior can beat Paladin in the DPS department while OT'ing.


And just in case you are wondering...
Current gear on Paladin...
Heroes Belt
AF2 Head
Darksteel penta-melded Gauntlets
Allagan Chest and Pants
Hoplite boots
Gryphonskin full Accessories (1 Penta melded others only +10 Vit)
+1 Holy Shield
+0 Curtana

Same gear on Warrior too...
AF2 Head > AF2 Head
Bravura +0

[Exstal]

It's not about threat..it's about Shield Oath's damage mitigation.

[TaneshimaPopura]

@ Exstal

When Caduceus split his damage is halved, a Hoodswing Auto will barely take off 3k HP in Sword Oath with no stacks.

Mini ADS only deals like 1.5k damage per hit up to 2.5-3k at 3 stacks in Sword Oath.

And the above 2 scenarios the raid isn't taking any damage so there is no reason the dedicated healer cannot handle 3k heals per 2.5 seconds. Heck even precasting Cure 1 on my Shitty Whitemage would have topped it off.

[Jahaudant]

"Sit in Sword Oath all day long" doesn't mean you will actually be attacking all day long, unless you're telling me that you would eat weights, bombs and landslides just so you can put in more dps? Warriors' burst is more useful and effective in killing Ifirit spikes, we can kill garuda's plums more effectively than pally's sword oath auto attack. We can get people out of gaols and burst the heart down better than a pally in sword oath.

Turn 1: You won't be tanking in sword oath for first 2 stacks because your snap aggro generation is terrible, unless you tell the dps to hold back. Warriors can actually hold aggro without defiance on thanks to our burst.
Turn 2. Again, you won't be using sword oath, cause your aggro gen sucks. If we OT we would do more damage cause we can mitigate the slashing resistance with our debuff.. you can't.
Turn 4. Again, shitty aggro generation any time you want to tank with Sword Oath.
Turn 5. Our Burst is better for dreadknight, conflags, snakes.. etc. Your sword oath doesn't provide much benefits to those mechanics.

Your 300 pot skill assumes you have full hp.. not likely to happen when you're tanking in sword oath and not sure about which skill you are referring to with the 250 pot. Warrior's 300 pot is unmitigated in any stance, with ~20s cooldown, we have constant crit%, miam + slashing debuff.

If you truly believe an OT pally would provide the same dps utility as an OT warrior then there's nothing more I can say.

Since you appear to have no idea what you are talking about I suggest you refrain from posting any further comments.