melee dps buffs + bard nerf = cumulative effect too much?

[Ooshima]

Exactly. People want Bard because of the support utilities and for WPSR. In anything that concerns mob and people wants it fast, AoE is of course preferred, kinda no-brainer. I rather SE make DRG and MNK more useable.

It's pretty lame to go on the nerf path - SE is going to add more and more content and contents with greater difficulty, it would be better for everyone to think what changes to make to make each job able to bring more to the table, instead of taking things away from the table.

[AunaYuuki]

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100% true. Our group for coil does take two bards for t2, but many groups have one switch out to monk or dragoon for the other turns. Only DD class I kind of pity in coil now is summoner its hard to take more than one to t5 it is possible but have to have the right combined DDs to take down the conflags. I know a group who takes almost full melees to all turns but t2. At the end of the day as a community, FC, LS, friends we all work together as a combined party so why does it matter if a bard is out DDing you by 5 damage? His gear could be better or his tactics in playing overall. I think people complaining a lot of their lower DD issues can be easily fixed by trying different combos and learning from other players. I think every group should take a melee DD as well at least one even two! If they are great players with great dodging skill their DD will blow everything away.

[MartaDemireux]

I still think they'll be tossing out LNC skills altogether and giving ACN skills instead. Not saying I want that to happen (was pretty painful leveling LNC for B4B...) but it's something that makes sense to me. They want to lower BRD DPS and, presumably, raise their supporting nature in its stead. ACN fits perfectly in that line of thought with Eye for an Eye, non-trait restricted in-battle Resurrection, Virus, and Physick. But we'll see on the 17th!

[AunaYuuki]

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Agreed. I feel monks should add something more to the party their DD is great but their silencing rotation is demanding. If they had just a silence would be more party helping friendly. DRG has piercing debuff but their jumps are rather....stupid and inconvenient making some of their skills not useful. I'd rather them get fixed then bard nerfed because people are crying and it might be the easiest way to "fix" things. People shouldn't be at each others thoats like they are its just crazy.

The carebear in me had to post this. *u*

[Ooshima]

Agreed. I feel monks should add something more to the party their DD is great but their silencing rotation is demanding. If they had just a silence would be more party helping friendly. DRG has piercing debuff but their jumps are rather....stupid and inconvenient making some of their skills not useful. I'd rather them get fixed then bard nerfed because people are crying and it might be the easiest way to "fix" things. People shouldn't be at each others thoats like they are its just crazy.

The carebear in me had to post this. *u*

Give them something to do with their MANA. Maybe change MNK's silence to pure silence using MP. It's kinda silly to me, like every job has something to use MP for but MNK and DRG??

[MartaDemireux]

Give them something to do with their MANA. Maybe change MNK's silence to pure silence using MP. It's kinda silly to me, like every job has something to use MP for but MNK and DRG??

MNK Fist abilities used to drain MP but apparently don't anymore. They also have the old 1.0 buff text still (like defense vs damage taken, skill speed vs movement speed) so maybe they'll bring that feature back! WAR doesn't use MP either to my knowledge but I might be forgetting something. Could easily make Dragonfire Dive use MP. Only problem I see with adding MP to these skills would be having to repurpose them or increase their DPS for their now limited use. MP restores at 2% of your maximum so it's a constant. If DD were to cost a lot of MP they might not make it back in time for the recast timer. Or, MNK's Fist abilities could wear off like a BRD song. They'd probably have to greatly increase their effects or make it worth the downtime while MP regenerates.

[Songkla]

I m not crying at all, just writing a true statement, it s definitly accurate to say that at least 90% of the bard users were happy with their class as it was (or still is). Looks like you are annoyed by me, but it s ok you know, i can understand, seeing all your posts in this thread, that once again you are jealous of a Bard. Your tipycal premade answer won t make u appear more clever. You aren t bringing anything to the discussion, have clearly no idea about what you are talking about... what are u doing here anyway?

Well of course 90% of brds are happy. Brds bring too much to the table. If they made any other class the same, they would be happy too.
Brds have too much utility in coil, but as you've probably never been, i guess you wouldn't know. Your pre-coil arguments are invalid.

[Viridiana]

Well of course 90% of brds are happy. Brds bring too much to the table. If they made any other class the same, they would be happy too.
Brds have too much utility in coil, but as you've probably never been, i guess you wouldn't know. Your pre-coil arguments are invalid.

About 3 minutes of searching tells me that he's done Coils 1-3 successfully. Ad hominem attacks are even weaker when they aren't true. >_>

[Charas]

Well of course 90% of brds are happy. Brds bring too much to the table. If they made any other class the same, they would be happy too.
Brds have too much utility in coil, but as you've probably never been, i guess you wouldn't know. Your pre-coil arguments are invalid.

OMG u posted again \o/ !!!
So you say, Bards bring too much to the table? right, i do really really believe you should start to level and equip an archer class! I can smell jealousy here... and you have nothing to back it up really as what you said makes no sense. And i already told u... premade answers like "u ve never been on coil blahblah" and such really won t make u appear more clever.

You could say WHM / Scholar bring too much to the table, as you do have to bring 2 healers in coil... And same goes for tanks, especially PLD who are so easy to heal and have interrupts (poor warriors)... But Bards they are just another DPS class really. The only reasons Bards are used in coil is to back up PLD silence and to use 1 or 2 mana song on turn 4 if Healers fail to manage their mp properly and turn 5, still for mp song. You can completly clear turn 1 2 (3 lol) without having a bard in your party, most of the parties still NEED 1 Bard for turn 4 and 5 tho... but 1 only. If ppl stack Bards it s their choice but in no way it is requiered.

The worst thing is, i believe, that all that comes from a dragoon! Not saying that you have a large amount of utility for the party, but you do offer a nice dps + a needed DPS limit break + a buff to Bard s damage. Every classes have something to offer and work in synergy, you just seem to fail seeing it, a lot of ppl do.

You should really enjoy ur class, coz it s not all that bad, or try to roll another one.

[Tilgung]

A DPS increase and DPS LB that aren't necessary at all.

The issue being that even with DRG and MNK having their damage increased, Coil is still currently doable with Bard stacking. Even on DPS checks, having a couple bards isn't detrimental. And those Bards have great utility/ease of play that's going to favor them over others. Reducing BRD DPS might possibly force some hands and encourage groups to take another heavier DPS instead of double BRD.

Bards are the safe option. They're not the best, but they're far more idiot proof than any other DPS class. And that means people are going to want them during their initial runs into Coil and in PUG groups.

EDIT: Enjoy your class? Clearly they are or they'd have jumped onto the FotM class already.