War Build > STR or VIT

[Paikis]

I can't even get 4th slot on my Astral. It's more, I don't want to spend money on something that I'll replace with something better.

My point is that there is nothing better.

[Exstal]

Then it's an opinion and not an absolute.

[Leiron]

Fact of the matter is.

Stat allocation = Go all vitality
Gear = should probably go all vit unless you so severely outgear the content that you can get with it. Cause hey, 15 more DPS makes a big difference =\

[Exstal]

I do full STR on my Warrior just to make healers work. I have an average item level of 65 on my Warrior hahaha

[Leiron]

Eh, I am more convinced at the idea that it is better to go full vitality, since a single damage spell from a healer every minute will mean more than increasing your overall DPS by 15.
Heck if you need to burst something right away its what FoF/Berserk/IR are there for.

If you have threat issues then that's a different story all together, but it is wrong to suggest that fending accessories should not be used over gyphonskin melds.

[Maqaqa]

15% more DPS makes a big difference =\

Yes it does. A 15% damage increase makes a big difference indeed.
Its almost like having a skill like Fight or Flight up... all the time! Its almost like having Sword's Oath... on a Warrior! Its a mini berserker without the pacification!

Leiron, get a clue, seriously.
Its ok to disagree but its not so ok to derail every thread with a mix of wrong advices, dumb statements and personal attacks.
You keep commenting on fights you dont fight, gear you dont wear and stuff you dont know.

Do yourself a favor, go and get some experience on your WAR, you might end up posting something that makes sense.

[Delorean]

Second, it is always good to have too much health than too little.
Having "just enough" to tank it is just flawed logic.
If you have more than enough health, that means the healer doesn't need to focus on you often, and has more time to heal you up.
Always a good thing and never bad

the needs of a group varies depending on it's individuals

just because paragon solo healed heroic garrosh does not mean that it is the best solution for every player in every group.

Then it's an opinion and not an absolute.

We couldn't afford to wear the shitty vit/parry/skill speed accessories even if we wanted to. they (crafted accessories) might not be the absolute best, but they are arguably the best depending on the way you choose to optimize.

[Genesiser]

Eh, I am more convinced at the idea that it is better to go full vitality, since a single damage spell from a healer every minute will mean more than increasing your overall DPS by 15.
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I'll play devils advocate here and play both sides real quick.

You do realize that if you increase your dps by 15, it would mean that the one healer's attack would have to hit for 900 dmg right? So perhaps that 15 dps isn't so insignificant.

Then again, if you as a tank are doing an extra 15 dps in a raid where you have 4 dps classes fighting and the fight lasts 5 minutes... That extra 15 dps would basically reduce the enemy hp by 3500 dmg. Say you have 4 dps doing 250 dps, you effectively made the fight end 3.5 seconds sooner than it would have.

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Anyway, to add to the discussion. If as a tank you were able to get to like 90% of the dps of a dps class wearing some dps gear, then it may become worthwhile to do so. However, in this game it just isn't possible. The only way that would be possible is if they added a vengeance mechanic like they have in wow which is the more damage you take, the more damage you do. I remember in wow during LK (I think it was LK) I was able to wear some dps gear (and even then it was just making sure I was hit/expertise capped with a tiny bit of crit mixed in) and on one of the bosses in the place where you fight Cho'Gall on the twin dragon boss I was able to do 19k dps. The other dps in my group were doing 16-22k dps (we had some bad players and I did 10 mans so the extra dps was welcome) and in that sense, it made a difference because most tanks were only pulling around 9k dps. This game on the other hand doesn't allow you to do so. And the reality of the situation is you aren't really helping to kill the boss much faster than if you were in full tank gear.

[Leiron]

Yeah its not particularly difficult to put out 900 every minute or so.

[TaneshimaPopura]

My Paladin in OT build now puts out 260 DPS and I'm very sure it is capable of 280-290 DPS if I'm decked to the teeth. Decked out DPS would do somewhere around 360-380 DPS if I'm not mistaken. My Bard deals 320 DPS with his sorta crappy gear. Taking fights like Twintania where OT usually DPS 85% of the time over a 13 minutes fight.

I had 419 STR and assuming 2 STR (Too lazy to dig out a calculation somewhere) = 1 WPN DPS, a Curtana +0 would put my numbers to say 507 STR, 30/507* 260 would be around 15.4 DPS. Over the course of 663 seconds. That is 10200 damage. a Average 4 DPS with 350 DPS you end the fight 1.1% faster to a total of 7 seconds the fight ends faster which should be around 11000 worth of heals not needed to be healed around 9000 extra dmg mitigated via Parry and Blocks. About 30 DPS mitigation. This is assuming a boss which deals 1500 DPS on tanks only, if this boss has AoE it will increase the value more as shorter fights causes less damage taken.

Take in all that and now compared to a HP buffer of 463. Make your own conclusion.