You can't get into Coil cause they are looking for experienced players only?

[SarcasmMisser]

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People in real life do bad things therefore doing bad things is ok is a terrible justification for anything.

[HoroBoro]

I no longer care at this point but w/e I'll give it another shot.

You are in a prison in China (hey I was born there ).

They tell you to confess or else they will beat your elderly grandfather up and take away your children's only means of a livelihood (by killing you). You have no idea what they want you to confess to.

Will you tell them: Hey man - lying's not cool. I'm not going to do it.

You are in the United States (hey I live there right now XD).

Your parents 80 year old parents are on the phone checking up on you. Asking what you're up to. Your best friend (who they do not like) happens to be in town and you haven't seen him for a year.

Will you tell your parents: Hey - you know my college buddy Randy who made that joke at that party you weren't entirely comfortable with? I'm hanging out with him! Isn't that great? Yea him being my college buddy for 4 years kinda trumps how you feel about him. Sorry. But don't worry you'll be dead soon: and it won't matter to you any more!

Gee.. The truth can be a really bad thing too huh?

[SarcasmMisser]

I'm educated on the practice of struggle sessions in China but I thought we were talking about a video game here and I feel there is a universe of difference between being in wineport and being in the cultural revolution.

Like man that's a really tasteless comparison, I don't know how to put it kindly.

[HoroBoro]

I'm educated on the practice of struggle sessions in China but I thought we were talking about a video game here and I feel there is a universe of difference between being in wineport and being in the cultural revolution.

Like man that's a really tasteless comparison, I don't know how to put it kindly.

Which is why I gave the 2nd example... One step away from the extreme

If you say that you have never, ever lied, to protect the feelings of someone close to you (or never had to), I am done talking to you because you are obviously lying right then and we will have reached an impasse.

My overarching point is: sometimes people have to lie because they have no other choice. I am suggesting that they are lying because it's the only choice they have in a sea of bad choices.

Another example between the two:

Your professor in grad school has started to harbor ill feelings towards you because of a paper you've looking to publish that has put his life's work in jeopardy. You're looking for a job and in the interview, the company asks if you can get a recommendation from that professor.

Morally bankrupt to use a past letter of recommendation for the purposes of getting that job?

Apparently so, in this universe, I guess.

[ufufu]

What the fuck is going on in this thread?

[Ryel]

Very terribly done attempts at real world analogies apparently (video games are serious business) , here I'll make this simple for you.

In a game environment where teamwork + strategy = success Lying about ones experience with the content is counter to teamwork and thus hurts the chances of not only yourself progressing content but the rest of the team who is unaware of the situation.

If you enter say coil as a job with silence (lets use BRD as an example) on say ADS, you are expected to silence High Voltage.

However if you've never done coil and you lie to a group to get a spot in as BRD, the group thinking you are experienced (per the lie) will trust and assume you are aware this needs to be done, the BRD in question however (having lied and never done coil before) will have no idea what they are supposed to be doing outside of basic BRD DD / songs.

Does it really need to be explained how quickly the situation will turn poorly at this point?

It does nothing but hurt the chances of success for yourself and the group that was lied to.

[HoroBoro]

Comments that I'm making Video Game Raiding into "Serious Business"

Then, using FF14 /MMO jargon, describing to me how things are expected of you and how you must maximize the chance of success

Hmm.. you make a fine point. I concede this duel. You have won sir. Jolly good show.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

What the fuck is going on in this thread?

LOL. I don't know anymore. HoroBoro's gone rogue and is now justifying lying to your PUG by invoking a chinese-flavoured Godwin-law, and not saying the truth about your friendships to your parents. I'll say, for what it's worth, that I don't care what my parents think about my friends. I do listen to their input, but it's my life. lol. I'm out of here, I don't do Godwins. Not even with sweet'n'sour sauce… … *stomach reaction* …
Mmmmmh, sweet'n'sour!! *runs to the store* *DEM NUGGETS!!!*

Sorry Horo, but at this point dude, you're clearly doing that involuntary thing you talked about earlier… ya know… the t-word… time to quietly exit, now ; )

EDIT: he posted before. Let's just all move to another thread now. ^^;

[Ryel]

It's not really a matter of raids being all that serious or massive expectations of people, in fact it shouldn't be surprising that if you do something with others you assume they'll be doing what the class/job they play entails.

Unless I'm doing this wrong i usually assume my tanks will tank, my healers will heal, and my dps will do some sort of offensive actions on the mob.

I could be wrong however

Experiencing content is fun win or lose when you try with people who are trying as well, why make it any harder than that?

[Shioban]

Says you don't have time to explain, want a "quick run" yet don't care wiping five times on ADS so you can "trigger voice program laugher" and, only then, start trying to find a replacement.

What am I supposed to respond to you?

We're going to laugh at them if they've weaseled their way in and we've spent 60 minutes wiping, it's almost our right to by that point. If someone advertises an experienced run it's because they really do expect people do one-shot Turns 1 - w/e.

I can assure we do DO care if we wipe, but we can't do much about it once we start wiping because of one or two people, we can only laugh it off, tell them what was going wrong and replace them.

All i'm simply saying is; If you lie, people will notice, it's better to ask them if they'll take the time to show/explain the fight to you, you will save HOURS of not just your time but seven other peoples time too.

If they say 'No, we can't do that' you suck it up and find another group. C'est la vie. We've all had to do it at some point.