Stop lying to your groups

[Razzle]

This is VERY far from the norm.

Agreed. There is a reason people "lie"... And it's the "experienced" players that's at fault. Personally I never lied just cause I couldn't care less, I can always find a group. If not "experienced" then "inexperienced"... Both will get a win eventually.

[Vyserion]

Running into people with Garuda/Titan/Relic weapons who don't know how how Chimera, or Hydra, or Garuda adds work. Running into people with Relic weapons who do not dodge Imminent Catastrophe ever. I auto-assume everyone is inept at Titan regardless of gearing level, but the short version is...

I try to ask if people are new when coming to content where -their- mistakes can kill everyone else. Otherwise, if they're silent, I assume they either know or will learn the hard way. That said, it is incredibly frustrating when you actually ask people if they know content simply because you wish to explain it to them, and they flat out lie to you.

[MisakiSatomi]

It goes both ways. They lie to actually get into a group and then die. The other players bm him instead of explaining what to do. And then you can't at first explain because there are already two kinds of people, one patient enough to help you or just flat out trash talk and leave you... so they lie.

[Kazamoto]

1] People lie... get experience... then its no longer a lie.

2] People don't lie.. tank rage quits because new person.

3] People don't lie.. gets helpful group.. gets experience.. didn't lie.

4] People Lie, start their own group, demand relic's and experience, get their own experience.

1) is the easiest thing to do.

2) happens WAY more often than 3).

Causes 4).

[Cobayn]

I tell people if I'm new and I've yet to encounter someone not willing to give me at least a quick rundown. For the same reason you stated: I don't want to be dead weight to the team. I hate the thought of being carried. I wouldn't learn anything AND I wouldn't be able to teach anyone else when it's my turn to give the rundown.

The reason a lot of people lie about knowing a dungeon is the stigma that's attached to not knowing something. In life in general. As if it was the biggest crime you could commit. Knowledge is not innate, we all gotta learn something at some point. But others can give you a hard time about it. You're a noob, a rookie, a greenhorn...

Shame cause spending 1-2 minutes explaining will save you a lot of time overall. If you think about it, every time you explain a run to someone, that person will in turn be able to explain it to others who will themselves be able to do the same. Snowball effect. You end up less likely to meet people who don't know. And it could be because you took time to explain it to one particular person.

If you don't care to explain, if you don't care to learn, well, pay for it.

To me that's a given.


EDIT: Yknow, I realised I kinda pointed the finger at those who already know, but won't share. That still stands, but I'd like to add that if you don't go on the interwebs and look for guides to AT LEAST get SOME idea of what you're getting yourself into, you're just as bad. Again a little work on both sides saves a lot of troubles.

[TeganLaron]

I think the biggest thing about being lied to is that it's very insulting. Then from that it makes it harder for you to accept the liar's mistakes, because they lied. If someone says it's their first time in Coil, Titan HM etc. Then it is much easier to forgive their mistakes when they miss a silence or get hit by a landslide. However if they've lied about being experienced, not only will you be annoyed because you'd expect better from them, but the feeling will be amplified if it's obvious they've lied.

If people are asking for experience, please don't lie. Yes, there are parties out there who only want experience. But there are also those who will be fine with teaching you the fight.

[Delsus]

When I ever tell people to lie, it's for DF groups, and you really will be surprised at how many DF groups finish before they start because someone says "hi there, my first time on this dungeon" so the tanks and healers bolt, afterall they can get a party in no time, then we get a lovely issue of people complaining on here that they can't do anything because of the few asses. If people prepare for runs the impact should be minimal.

I would never say to lie for premade parties, but when you see people leaving DF groups because people lack experience it's either lie or don't experience content.

[Zakalwe]

When I was struggling to pug my way through Titan HM with my measly ilvl55 GC sword (all primals hated me despite over 50 primal runs) I never lied and never had problems getting into pugs looking for a tank, which are actually hard to find. I just said I knew how to tank it and could hold aggro, though I had so far not completed it. All true.

Edit: of course, tanking Titan HM is stupidly simple, as long as you pass the gear check (I was in DL+ armour), and know to hit a cool down before each MB. The challenge was finding a group who could do it and that took about two full days of pugging.

[Brady672]

I must be weird. I love having new people in my party (not saying under geared or unprepared in general though). If they ask, I try to help as much as possible so they can do well. People who are new to dungeons are more often than not nicer about things. Hell, I'll even offer any advice on their classes if I think it's needed (like a member of my FC needed to us flash more, because he must not have totally understood its benefit).

I love newbies.

[Noni]

What is the point of that? This is a game for crying out loud! Why do people take this stuff so seriously? The things mentioned in this very forum will be the reason why this game will decline quickly. There will only be a few "great players" left to play with each other, how fun is that?