Stop lying to your groups

[ispano]

Why wouldnt i lie. IF i get into coil by lying then thats great. Id like to see the 7 other ppl qq just cause im new.
Especially if ive gone DPS i should be able to get carried and learn the fight or at least fail and get experiance.
Groups saying experiance only deserve ata least 1 new person. How else is anyone going to get a go in coil.

The same way those experienced players did. By making a group and going in. Not by lying to other experienced players, which early on there were none. They made their own groups. They put in the time and effort, and they can choose if they want experienced players or not. You don't get to make that decision for them.

[Ri_ri]

Woah... I'm agreeing with Keyblade. What magick is this.

The same way those experienced players did. By making a group and going in. Not by lying to other experienced players, which early on there were none. They made their own groups. They put in the time and effort, and they can choose if they want experienced players or not. You don't get to make that decision for them.

It's too easy to "form your own group" when most of the community is new at it.
Just like it's so easy to ask for "experienced onry" after you had the opportunity of seeing it.

Then again, "easy" is the key word for modern MMORPG players... "easy" and "fast".

[ispano]

Woah... I'm agreeing with Keyblade. What magick is this.



It's too easy to "form your own group" when most of the community is new at it.
Just like it's so easy to ask for "experienced onry" after you had the opportunity of seeing it.

Then again, "easy" is the key word for modern MMORPG players... "easy" and "fast".

You still don't get to make the decision for them. The problem here, people are asking for experienced players. Ok, nothing really special there. The problem comes when someone comes in and says they are, when they're not. They're FORCING their choice of coming inexperienced to a group that is requesting experienced. You are forcing your decision. And in something that's not DF accessible, this can easily lead to hitting a blacklist. I already know people on our server that are making one. Easy, difficult, doesn't matter. The problem is you feel your decision to barge in is more important than 7 other people's decision to want someone experienced. You are wrong, period.

[Ayasee]

Why wouldnt i lie. IF i get into coil by lying then thats great. Id like to see the 7 other ppl qq just cause im new.
Especially if ive gone DPS i should be able to get carried and learn the fight or at least fail and get experiance.
Groups saying experiance only deserve ata least 1 new person. How else is anyone going to get a go in coil.

Move along, nothing to see here but cancer.

[Aerostein]

If you're going to lie, you better make damn sure you're a fast learner. It ain't uncommon for people to get kicked from whatever raid, black listed by core members in said group, and then potentially name and shamed in Mor Dhona shout. lol

[Noni]

What is the point of that? This is a game for crying out loud! Why do people take this stuff so seriously? The things mentioned in this very forum will be the reason why this game will decline quickly. There will only be a few "great players" left to play with each other, how fun is that?

[Shioban]

What is the point of that? This is a game for crying out loud! Why do people take this stuff so seriously? The things mentioned in this very forum will be the reason why this game will decline quickly. There will only be a few "great players" left to play with each other, how fun is that?

When you're wasting the time of seven other people, yes there is an element of seriousness to it.

People are actually paying to be here, and when you waste their time, they're going to get annoyed, regardless of whether its a 'lolgame' or not.

[Petdo]

Thank god I'm glad that I'm playing on JP data center.
Everyone is so nice even I can't understand their word :P

[BlueMage]

Going into a fight you don't know and wiping the group because you're too dishonest/prideful/spineless to ask what to watch out for is disgusting.

[Ryel]

I think the major problem with most of these groups that shout for “experienced players only” are remembering the negative sides of learning content and not the positive aspects as well.

There are those (not all obviously) that will get that first Titan win or Coil turn clear and instantly start shouting for experienced groups the next time, as if the previous runs they went on before they weren’t learning the content themselves, and likely either had someone who had done the fight or found the info elsewhere (this obviously doesn’t apply to first time fresh content where EVERYONE is learning at the same time and NOBODY is shouting for experienced groups).


This kind of leads to two points the first being…



Don’t queue into Duty Finder if you’re expecting experienced groups / speed runs.


Just don’t, you’ll save yourself the headache.

The DF is intended for people to learn and complete content on the average level, it’s designed for people to hop in, pick up, and learn content and in some cases become comfortable enough with the mechanics of something to pass them along to their friends and maybe queue in with a premade.

The DF is NOT designed for you to barrel through a speed run while yelling at the poor WHM that just hit 50 to cure you as you sit there tanking half of WP on their first time in.

Shocker, I know.

If you want a speed run or quick clears or experienced groups for anything that uses the duty finder (everything but coil) then do yourself and the poor WHM a favor.


Make a premade.


Which leads me to my second point…


Have honest and fair expectations when making a shout group.


Now understand I still stand by my previous comment here:

“The ONLY group you are entitled to be a part of is the one you have created yourself.”

And while I can see why people who shout for experienced members only do so under the (mostly false) impression that it will lead to more successful runs, this isn’t always the case if anything it kind of comes off as lazy more often than not.

If someone is geared (not over geared, this will become more apparent when iLVL restrictions are in place) for content and willing to learn there really isn’t a reason not to take them in.

Keep in mind the fact that you are shouting for a group at this point means one of two things

A) You are unable to fill your group with members from your FC / LS(s) for any number of reasons.
B) You aren’t in an FC / LS(s)

Assuming that someone wants to do say… Coil and they’re in an FC and/or a few LS(s) it stands to reason that they would fill with those members first and then try to shout for extra’s, 9 out of 10 times this is the case.

Meaning you’re asking someone to come fill a spot you otherwise have empty; assuming you and the people you started with are experienced enough to win the fight already it shouldn’t matter if the person you get is an expert as long as they have appropriate gear, unless of course the opposite is true and you’re only asking for experienced members to join your groups to carry you.

Oh and if your point is “We don’t have time to teach etc etc”

You’ll waste more time turning people away than you will giving out a few pointers here and there in regards to mechanics on most fights (assuming you’re calling out this stuff anyway which more often than not you should be)
And the best part?

If you’re lucky the person you spent the time to grab and teach may even perform well, in fact if it goes well enough you might even recruit them to your FC / LS and have one less person to shout for when it comes to future runs.