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  1. #11
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    Marxam's Avatar
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    Blackiron Tarkus
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    Leviathan
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    Marauder Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormx View Post
    Misinformation so far, unfortunately.

    2. Do not touch Defiance. Going into Defiance, using Infuriate so you can get that fatty Inner Beast off is more detrimental to your DPS than anything. When you go into Defiance, you are forced to stay in it for 10 seconds. All DPS gain you will get from being able to use Inner Beast you will completely lose from being forced to sit in Defiance for 10 seconds.
    Unchained is 20 seconds.
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  2. #12
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    Jahaudant's Avatar
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    Jahaudant Rivea
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    Sargatanas
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by EpicEmpyrean View Post
    Show me a PLD that can do that...
    As a 30 VIT PLD wearing STR accessories 220 DPS is actually roughly where I bottom out on Striking Dummies.
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  3. #13
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    KittenJitsu's Avatar
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    Risue Daito
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    Behemoth
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    Summoner Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Jahaudant View Post
    As a 30 VIT PLD wearing STR accessories 220 DPS is actually roughly where I bottom out on Striking Dummies.
    Aren't striking dummies very different than dungeon mobs or bosses?

    It's honestly tough to tell. People always say PLD > WAR, WAR > PLD or PLD = WAR in terms of dps.

    >.> They both can switch to a "DPS" role. Its there for when the OT doesn't need to actually OT.
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  4. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by KittenJitsu View Post
    Aren't striking dummies very different than dungeon mobs or bosses?
    Apart from the fact that actual bosses tend to move/become immune/vanish/require target switching they are absolutely no different to Striking Dummies. For the record, level 1 Striking Dummies are also no different to level 50 Striking Dummies except for the accuracy required to hit them.
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  5. #15
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    Grembo Zavia
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    Odin
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura View Post
    Sadly however optimal you may perform your DPS rotation, same gear Paladin in Sword Oath will still clear your floor EVERY time. What warriors have is only burst, so pick the right situation where burst is needed.
    From the OP i'm guessing they have a PLD MT and WAR OT, when exactly does a PLD in sword oath have anything to do with the OP's question?
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  6. #16
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    Risue Daito
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jahaudant View Post
    Apart from the fact that actual bosses tend to move/become immune/vanish/require target switching they are absolutely no different to Striking Dummies. For the record, level 1 Striking Dummies are also no different to level 50 Striking Dummies except for the accuracy required to hit them.
    So you will do the same dmg against a lv 1 dummy as to a 50 dummy?

    Thanks for the info. I am learning something new today.
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  7. #17
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    Bayman Man
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    Adamantoise
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormx View Post
    Misinformation so far, unfortunately.
    I think you have maximum damage, and maximum spike damage confused.
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  8. #18
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    Elysia Mazda
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    Coeurl
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    Armorer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Asirae View Post
    i thought he was trying to say its better to use inner release on cooldown but then the numbers don't make sense.
    Use Inner Release on cooldown for 21% more benefit than waiting for Berserk. Inner Release will be used in concert Berserk every 180s because the cooldowns will naturally align.

    Quote Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura View Post
    Sadly however optimal you may perform your DPS rotation, same gear Paladin in Sword Oath will still clear your floor EVERY time.
    Quote Originally Posted by EpicEmpyrean View Post
    You couldn't be more wrong.
    Rather amusingly, you are both wrong. Math and parses have both shown that PLD (Sword Oath) and WAR (non-Defiance) DPS are effectively identical. This is, as I have said too many times now, by design. Giving one a non-tanking DPS advantage pigeonholes it into secondary tank for the sake of efficiency.
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  9. #19
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    mr_wazzabi's Avatar
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    Belvedere Lamare
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    Gilgamesh
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura View Post
    Sadly however optimal you may perform your DPS rotation, same gear Paladin in Sword Oath will still clear your floor EVERY time. What warriors have is only burst, so pick the right situation where burst is needed.
    Are paladins able to crit hits for close to 600 damage? I think not
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    Last edited by mr_wazzabi; 11-27-2013 at 12:57 PM.
    Melee Elezen FTW!!!

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    Belvedere Lamare
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marxam View Post
    Unchained is 20 seconds.
    So with this in mind, say you use unchained, build 5 stacks of wrath quickly and blow off inner beast, does that mean you can sort of nullify the damage lost from 10s of forced defiance?
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    Melee Elezen FTW!!!

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