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  1. #41
    Player Aerostein's Avatar
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    Everyone is different. I can only speak for myself, but I often make more personal mistakes while I am on a Voip. Hearing a lot of fast chattering voices right in my ear throws me off at times. That may just me though.

    I'm not fully convinced that it makes things that much easier, either. Reminds me of a group I joined for Titan HM. Majority were in a voice chat, yet that still didn't stop them from eating landslides and plumes. The 3 of us who weren't in that voip, weren't the ones wiping that instance.

    I don't know how coil turn 4 and beyond is like, but the turns before then I could see easily being done without a voice chat. I rarely need to say anything, and anything worth hearing I usually notice before anyone begins to address it. I can understand some people aren't like this. Just always a shame when people force voip on you, but that's to be expected unless you make your own group.

    I'd also like to add, not everyone on PS3 has their PC near by or even find a need to own a laptop. It's also too much to assume that random PS3 player has an android or iphone smartphone. You'd be amazed at the people who don't care to upgrade. I own a windows smartphone and Skype (Which no one uses.) is the only compatible option for my version. I've been getting by, by using a droid of someone I live with. (Kinda silly when you think about it. lol) Even then, it's very uncomfortable for me personally.
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  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixmp View Post
    If you need the extra help of coms who is carrying who?
    It's just unrealistic to expect the hardest content in MMORPG's to be done efficiently, if at all, without VC. Coordinating 8 people, let alone 24, in a timely manner, just cannot be done by text. By the time you write something, then read a reply or several, then reply again, answer someone's question on something… not even taking into factor the fact that you're a sitting duck when typing, thus that much prone to eat an AoE, lose on DPS, miss a crucial heal… the boss mechanic which prompted the need for communication, or improvisation, has well passed and you wiped.

    You're burying your head in the sand here. Seriously, you must not have much raiding experience on difficult content in MMO's to say something like that.
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    “Focus on the journey, not the destination.
    Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it.”

  3. #43
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    I find it hard to take you seriously when you haven't even reached level 50.
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcyon_Densetsu View Post
    It's just unrealistic to expect the hardest content in MMORPG's to be done efficiently, if at all, without VC. Coordinating 8 people, let alone 24, in a timely manner, just cannot be done by text. By the time you write something, then read a reply or several, then reply again, answer someone's question on something… not even taking into factor the fact that you're a sitting duck when typing, thus that much prone to eat an AoE, lose on DPS, miss a crucial heal… the boss mechanic which prompted the need for communication, or improvisation, has well passed and you wiped.

    You're burying your head in the sand here. Seriously, you must not have much raiding experience on difficult content in MMO's to say something like that.
    Only people who are burying their heads ore people who insist that coms is needed. I mean how did content ever get cleared in any MMO before coms became popular?

    What about those PS2 only Linkshells in FFXI that didn't use coms?
    People keep saying about typing mid fight... I mean REALLY?

    You see what happens in the real world is this. People talk about the fight beforehand. They then try the content. If they fail they talk about it some more. Then try again. Repeat until content is complete.
    The simple fact that people even use typing during an actual fight as an argument shows how little they actually know about NOT using coms.
    There are macros that can be used for instance to share info, if needed.
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by MieyCyruuuus View Post
    I find it hard to take you seriously when you haven't even reached level 50.
    Yeah because this is the only MMO ever made isn't it? I find the fact you even use the not level 50 argument reason enough to ignore you totally.
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaidennightshade View Post
    Sorry about some typos on my post... I am on my android to post. Lol.
    typing this on your android, which has access to several different voice chat apps... and you're complaining about what?

    Some people... I swear...

    To all the PS3 players who don't want to use voice comms, its quite simple. You find or make a group that doesn't use voice comms. The last 10 years of PC MMO gaming have thrived through the use of voice comms and PC MMO players (in general) are most comfortable with that now. If you wish to experience the game in a different way, then do so with like-minded people. Expecting PC MMO players who wish to use voice comms to change what they are comfortable with so you can play with a style you are comfortable with is just as bad as the other way around. So the best option for everyone is to play how they want and find other like-minded players.

    But to sit there and say, im on a ps4/3 and I don't have voice, so you can deal with it. Well you're right, the group is dealing with it, by finding someone else with voice.
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    Last edited by zdub303; 11-25-2013 at 06:55 AM.

  7. #47
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    No, because you are talking fights that you have NEVER seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MieyCyruuuus View Post
    No, because you are talking fights that you have NEVER seen.
    Youtube not available where you live? Is FFXIV suddenly the hardest content ever made?
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    Yea, watching youtube makes you the most experienced player on this forum and your opinion more valid.
    Because spending 5 times longer typing and discussing strategy is totally awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixmp View Post
    Only people who are burying their heads ore people who insist that coms is needed. I mean how did content ever get cleared in any MMO before coms became popular?

    What about those PS2 only Linkshells in FFXI that didn't use coms?
    People keep saying about typing mid fight... I mean REALLY?

    You see what happens in the real world is this. People talk about the fight beforehand. They then try the content. If they fail they talk about it some more. Then try again. Repeat until content is complete.
    The simple fact that people even use typing during an actual fight as an argument shows how little they actually know about NOT using coms.
    There are macros that can be used for instance to share info, if needed.
    Haha. your vision of "real world" raiding is so out of touch. It's a joke.

    Yes we brief, yes we debrief, but if we didn't communicate during the fights, we wouldn't kill many bosses, or it would take infinitely longer and would be so frustrating, not to be able to communicate with others—when games are supposed to be fun, and team play an achievement and a pleasure, not a chore. Never had a fight going south, requiring players to improvise a solution, quick? Oh, you wipe then… and "repeat" as you say… but why would you choose to make it harder for you and repeat 100 times when it could be done in 10?

    I've never ever seen people playing like you're describing in 10+ years of MMORPG. I've seen VC used ever since we had broadband.
    EDIT: as for FFXI it's so slow-paced that it can't be compared to most current, modern MMO's—even ARR.

    Believe what you will. Play with a handicap if you like it. Actual raiders know the 'reality' or raiding.
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    Last edited by Alcyon_Densetsu; 11-25-2013 at 02:45 PM.
    “Focus on the journey, not the destination.
    Joy is found not in finishing an activity but in doing it.”

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