You can't get into Coil cause they are looking for experienced players only?

[Nura]

Excellent post, NeoAmon.

A note to those who never did Coil but have prior raiding experience in other MMORPG's: say it!



I'm such a player and I can tell you that if you've cleared raids in other games, such as WoW (at least normal difficulty level, not talking about LFR, as for flexible I just don't know) or Rift, chances are you're definitely skilled enough for Coil which (at the notable exception of Turn 5), isn't that hard. So just state your prior experience, it'll give raid recruiters the reassurance they need, knowing you're the kind of player they're looking for.

Also, doing a bit of research isn't a bad idea. When you're commuting from/to work, during your breaks, while waiting for people to answer your shouts, or waiting on your AK/WP DF to pop… Just don't lie your way in saying that you have experience just because you've watched a video, but it certainly helps to have an idea of what you should be expecting (a video helps you know the visual cues and the mechanics, the general proceedings of the fight; and if you really want to know the theory, a written guide will provide very detailed and specific knowledge such as "attack X of boss Y does Z damage to n players every T seconds" and so on). I'd be more favorable to take a pick-up player who says he/she did a bit of research, even just a 2 minutes video, than someone who has no clue and flat out doesn't care. (unfortunately for FFXIV there aren't many videos since SE is taking them down when they're edited with voice, based on their archaic ToS which is totally out of touch with YouTube gaming videos, but that's another topic entirely; you can still find some strategy videos for this game).

On a side-related note, I'm not saying one must do prior research to raid in games; this is just advice to maximise your chance to get a group. I personally prefer to go there and figure out a strategy as we progress, depending on the group (classes etc.), but I usually raid in a static (or like-minded individuals) that I usually organise myself, so I don't need to convince anyone about anything. Should you need to though, it's always a good idea to put as many chances as possible on your side!

And again: don't lie! I'll always prefer an honest newbie who's willing to learn and put effort into something (who's a real team player) than a dishonest lier who won't ever own his/her mistakes and is just not that respectable a person—how could I trust someone who lies to me?

That is kind of Insulting young man.

I told the First Coil Groupe I was Experienced because I watched a Guide but that doesn't give me experience. We did it till turn 4 with only 3 wipes in Turn 2 and saying that I am dishonest and untrustfull just because I didn't told them I never went personally into Coil is Insulting to anyone who did it that way.
You have no chance going into coil if you have no experience because noone wants you. Nice that this is no Problem on your world but try it on Odin. You will never get a Group without telling them you are experienced. Well I don't need pugs anymore we got enough together for a 4th Coil Groupe in our FC but even if not. I would still do coil and I would still be good at it. And I am for gods sake not dishonest and not a liar.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

That is kind of Insulting young man.

I told the First Coil Groupe I was Experienced because I watched a Guide but that doesn't give me experience. We did it till turn 4 with only 3 wipes in Turn 2 and saying that I am dishonest and untrustfull just because I didn't told them I never went personally into Coil is Insulting to anyone who did it that way.
You have no chance going into coil if you have no experience because noone wants you. Nice that this is no Problem on your world but try it on Odin. You will never get a Group without telling them you are experienced. Well I don't need pugs anymore we got enough together for a 4th Coil Groupe in our FC but even if not. I would still do coil and I would still be good at it. And I am for gods sake not dishonest and not a liar.

I'm sorry I didn't mean to be insulting but look at the facts: you admit to lie and then claim to have been truthful and not having lied? That's a flat out contradiction! There's just no debate here… (Also I'm not saying dishonest in a way near as bad as in "stealing purses from old people", I say that in a much lighter way —I'm french and english is my second language, so perhaps the word is too strong to describe a lie, I don't know; if it is then I'm sorry, and would like to know the correct word).

All I know is that people who lie about something are likely to lie about other things—"no I didn't do that mistake", etc. In my experience, shyness or fear can make people lie (in which case they're not necessarily dishonest people, it's not black and white, they're just frightened individuals who feel peer pressure and should be reassured), but a lie is a lie, and lying isn't a behaviour qualifiable as "truthful", I'm sorry, it's a fact.

Now, I understand —I really do—given the level of jerkiness in this game that you felt you had to lie. I also can see how some players are good enough to make such a lie go unnoticed but, as someone said in another thread: remember that it's very far from the norm.

Read that OP, he gets it. That's how I behave in games, in raiding, in my social interactions. (I made a post there as well, #11, states my opinion about it). I expect no less from others, and those who don't (jerks on one side, liars on the other), I simply don't wish to play with them. Lying your way in or not owning your mistakes is no way to be a team player in my humble opinion.

So I stand by my rhetorical question: how can I trust someone who lies to me? Really?