I'll support Hiromichi Tanaka regardless, How about You?

[Xmbei]

there a big diff from bcnm and dungeon in ffxi vs wow version.

you love them the first few time you do them then when you do them 500times on other jobs/class you get bored out of your mind with it.

lol and the difference is????? ......oh wait that same concept is applied to both.

Also apparently you never did tanaka's "wow" dungeons huh? no assault? no Salvage? no Dynamis? It's alright we will forgive you! *pat pat* That is why they are level/rank teired dungeon so that you move on to better places, and only have to do the dungeon for story progression or the gear.... which is exactly what goes on in FFXI too... hmmmmmm.... logic flawed i think so! If you only want to run it a few times no one is stopping you.... stop equating instanced dungeons to WoW... or western mmo's it is common practice in eastern and western MMO's now, except of course FFXIV, which will be soon rectifying this!

[Zenaku]

FFXI dungeon and wow dungeon may have the same type of concept but what made them fun is the way you did them.

Nyzul isle: Had diff layouts and each floors had it's own way of unlocking the next floor. Even if you do Nyzul isle 50times you never have a 100% of winning you may get 3 lamps floors and lose or you may get 3 floors with hard mobs. Now Nyzul isle vs any wow dungeon and you see there noting a like.

dynamis: May have the same layout just like raids in wow but the way you do it and the time limit how you had to time black mage Nukes and sleep. How the THF had to pull and the tanks have to be on there toes. Vs WoW raids i got bored of them even if each raids was not the same as the one before it still got bored of them.

Assault: Some you had to get a mob to do a magic to break down the door to save someone. Some you had to open chest if you get wrong one the box come alive and kick your butt i never saw anything like that in WoW.

BCNM: Small Room dungeon main goal is to kill the boss each BCNM was very diff from the last like the king jelly one where you had to kill them all before they become the queen or king or w/e. Or the one that copy each person 2hour and steal it from you or the Endgame KSNM where you fight a boss. Each of the BCNM/KSNM are noting like western dungeons/raids.

ZNM: Open Boss fights where did you see this in WoW?

This is my point FFXI dungeons are more fun then western dungeons and yoshi-p is turning what ffxi had so much fun into a western dungeon. Why could he not use what ffxi had made them 100x better a little more casual and make them more fun and use diff ways to do them.

[Ilean]

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None of them are the same as wow dungeons there not the same thing Nyzul isle was floors much more fun then wow dungeons Limbus was not even a dungeon like wow none of it are like western dungeons that the point am getting

if they made the dungeons like limbus,nyzul isle,bcnm,Salvage i wont be mad but yoshi-p said they going to be base of western mmo. so no there no logic flawed smart one all am saying is yoshi-p said the dungeon be base of dam western type dungeons unlike the one in ffxi which i can do for days at end without getting bored but once you reach 60+ in wow it's like really can't the dungeon change a little doing something else beside doing the same thing just with a boss and dam diff mobs. FFXI dungeons where fun nyzul isle had diff ways to get to each floors, limbus you had to kill diff mobs or open chest to get more time all this made it fun.

So don't attack me before understanding what am getting at FFXI dungeons are noting a like to western dungeon.

My point here Eastern Final fantasy XI dungeons vs western dungeons i hope there more thought in the ffxiv dungeon and not 100% like the western dungeon we get bored and sick of them more quit then doing nyzul isle and i did 1-60 and did them over and over without getting bored of them one reason have to be due to the limit how many you can do which is a good idea to make the game more fun and not getting bored of the dungeon in 1day when you do it 500000 time for one dam item.

@Xmbei i did them all and there noting like wow dungeons trust me i play wow for sometime and got sick of the dungeon vs the ffxi version how can you sit here and tell me that wow and ffxi dungeon are a like? they may be called dungeon and may have the same type of concept but the way you do the ffxi version is what made it fun.

[Zenaku]

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it's not about prefer it's about western dungeon being boring like hell if you want to do western Dungeons you can play every dam game out there which is what? 90% of online games even F2P games. the point is ffxi dungeons are way better and fun you could easy reuse the idea change them up and make them more casual to meet up to the western type players and still keep that eastern type dungeon feel.

But all means if that what you want to do is have the same type of feel dungeon as wow then don't bitch when you do the dungeon next month and go i got sick of doing them within 2hours if there really like western like yoshi-p say then i hope he find out that he should try and make them more fun,.

[Ilean]

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You are whining about content that hasn't been released.

it's not about prefer it's about western dungeon being boring like hell if you want to do western Dungeons you can play every dam game out there which is what? 90% of online games even F2P games. the point is ffxi dungeons are way better and fun you could easy reuse the idea change them up and make them more casual to meet up to the western type players and still keep that eastern type dungeon feel.

But all means if that what you want to do is have the same type of feel dungeon as wow then don't bitch when you do the dungeon next month and go i got sick of doing them within 2hours if there really like western like yoshi-p say then i hope he find out that he should try and make them more fun,.

[Zenaku]

LOL!



You are whining about content that hasn't been released.

Who whining get out of here troll, Yoshi-p said it be like western Dungeons i'm going with that so that what am talking about. Learn before you start talking like you know it all if you read what i said you know that i said that one of the interview yoshi-p said it be like dungeon that you see in western mmo so i can talk about the content when there that type of information out -.- now all am saying if it like western dungeon but more of a eastern feel where you have to do more then just fight to a boss then i'm all for it but it's just like western mmo it going to get old fast.

The point of the forums is to talk about all the upcoming content so it's not whining it's talking -.- block list me if you think am whining but also go and block everyone and yourself also for doing the same thing if you think what am doing is whining then everyone else doing the same thing -.-

[Ilean]

Who whining get out of here troll, Yoshi-p said it be like western Dungeons i'm going with that so that what am talking about. Learn before you start talking like you know it all if you read what i said you know that i said that one of the interview yoshi-p said it be like dungeon that you see in western mmo so i can talk about the content when there that type of information out -.- now all am saying if it like western dungeon but more of a eastern feel where you have to do more then just fight to a boss then i'm all for it but it's just like western mmo it going to get old fast.

Sad part is every FFXI dungeon I remember was nothing but crawling > boss with very minor gimmicks added to fool gullible people into thinking they were doing something fresh, innovative and superior to those stupid western MMORPG players.

Except for the even crappier variety where you crawled but didn't fight a boss at the end (nyzul climbs), I guess.

[SuzakuCMX]

I really don't give a damn if the dungeons are copied from WoW or not as long as they're fun.

IMO the stylistic difference between WoW and FFXIV in terms of graphics is enough to make it feel different. The graphical look (unrealistic cartoony) is one of the . . . most defining features of WoW IMO. Lots of other things are shared between WoW and other MMOs but it sure has a unique cartoon style that somewhat sets it apart.

[Zenaku]

Sad part is every FFXI dungeon I remember was nothing but crawling > boss with very minor gimmicks added to fool gullible people into thinking they were doing something fresh, innovative and superior to those stupid western MMORPG players.

Except for the even crappier variety where you crawled but didn't fight a boss at the end (nyzul climbs), I guess.

If you think that then ok but wow dungeons folllow the same dam thing over and over again. unlike ffxi version bcnm,limbus and dynamis where noting like wow dungeon. In wow you follow the map with tank as lead(considering you get a competent group) and all you do is kill mobs and few boss. Dynamis you had a timer to worry about sleep all mobs and you had to pull them on the right time. So i don't know what make you think that dungeon in ffxi are anything close to WoW i play both and i don't find anything that are the same beside you do fight a boss on both games and the goal is to get gear but the way you do them are noting like wow

@SuzakuCMX that my point but the problem is if it's just like wow dungeon that all you do is enter and kill a boss without something fun like time limit or killing a type of mob to pop the boss such things that make the dungeon fun then am all for it.

I care less if there noting like ffxi dungeon or wow dungeon as long as there fun. WoW Dungeon you get sick of them once you level from 15-60.

[Rowyne]

I have to agree, Zenaku, you're going off the rails about content that isn't implemented yet, sure that there will be nothing original or fun about it. Unless you can show me your magic 8-ball, you might at least wait until it's in the game. None of us have any idea at this point how they will approach dungeons, only that they will be instanced, and will first be R30 and R50 content.

I'm pretty sure even when this game is up to snuff, there will be nothing that makes you say, "Hey, this feels like WoW!" Take that as good, bad or indifferent.