My suggestion to Square Enix for the future of MMOs.

[Azurus]

All the rapidly evolving technology means is that it gets more complecated to write the code, look at 90s programming code then look at modern code, its alot more complecated, then they need to adapt the code to a veriety of differany system configurations and so on.

Yes technology is evolving fast but this makes it alot harder to make games because the games are expected to be at a certain standard.

Also human capabilities are not evolving as fast as technology, so you say its impossible to compare ffxiv and ffxi, because of the technology, but people cant work any harder or faster than they could in 2002 if anything the technology is overtaking humans in this respect

What would you think if you got a complete game, but it used the same engine as ff1, i know you would be crying because it is not up to modern standards.

Yes I agree they rushed the game out but I also think it would have done better if it was released in Japan before US and EU because when a new mmo comes out, all of a sudden everyone in the western world becomes a programming and networking pro, I have seen people complaining that its taking too long to bring the game up to standard, apparently thinking they could make a modern completed mmo in half the time, which no one seems to want to prove.

And what I quoted was when Mack said that ffxi was complete at US launch, not an ffxiv vs ffxi argument which makes your post irrelevent because it was completly off my topic

not off topic, i was responding to the bit where you said westerners want everything done quickly, and im sorry but it takes human knowledge to create technology so it is not possible for the technology to outbeat us, and honestly because of this technology it does stream line alot of the processes needed to make games so please save it. If it released first in japan it never would have made it to the western market. Sorry other places around the world except low quality things but that does not mean everyone else in the world needs to. As ive said before if it is so hard to make games then why are other companies able to release polished games? Give me the resources SE has and i would love to try to prove to you what somone who cares about the product they are pushing out can do, instead of just releasing games and hoping it sells on the name alone.

And thanks for that little part in bold i couldnt have said it better myself. If your being surpassed by your own technology then you fail as a game developer. You should have employees able to utilize it to its fullest potential, none of which is seen in this unfinished product.

[Drex]

No, my negative complaints are not useless. I make it a point to make them constructive. Negative feedback and nonconstructive feedback are not identical concepts. (EDIT: mutually exclusive => indentical. DERP)

If you happen to think that your $80 were well spent, more power to you. I don't. I think this game has way, way more faults than positives, and I'm going to make that known to devs and players (and what I think would have been a better solution). I don't get angry when people argue against me, but I do get angry when people get in a debate with me and proceed to ignore my points or construct strawman arguments.

I'm still working on getting my emotions under control for such occasions.

try to explain to most of you, why almost all complains are useless, is useless like the complains themselves.

[Seif]

I have to say I agree.

Battle tweaks nor texture swaps won't change the fact that the main mission line was a badly told story in a bland world.

Sure XI had tweaks and expansions but the strong core was the thing that kept me playing because I wanted to see how the main missions end.

In XIV I had no idea what was going on and for who or what I was fighting for.

[Wolfie]

try to explain to most of you, why almost all complains are useless, is useless like the complains themselves.

Prove to me that complaints are invalid feedback.

Keep in mind that the polls that Yoshida put out specifically targeted mechanics that people complained about often, and they sought to massage all the feedback FFXIV has gotten into something usable.

[Mack]

sure, but only the 10% of the complains are constructive..... the 90% are useless....

Constructive my ass. I'm not in here trying to give SE specifics on what to change, although when I do that I also get arrogant people calling me out for trolling, I also getting ignorant people telling me I'm an idiot for wanting whatever change and I get a mob of people telling me I should be more constructive. Point being I don't need to tell SE where they screwed up and how to fix it, same way when a doctor $@#!s up in the ER room and his patient dies, the patient's kin doesn't tell him how to do a better job next time, its the doctors job.

[Mack]

Stopped reading here.

If you are going to give advice about something its generally a good idea to know what you are talking about first.

So you are suggesting that I in fact don't know whether FFXI is my last MMO? lol....haha ok, thanks for your advice genius.

Its just hilarious how some of you get so touchy when someone says anything bad about the game or SE. The damn game still has animations that don't suit its battle system, the transitions are fixed, they don't ease into the next animation that is why they sort of cut off half the time as you choose abilities....that's how unfinished this game is (although those animations will work great with the auto attack system). I'll say it again, I love SE, just because I complain doesn't change that. I haven't hated a single FF game to date and in fact I love their most recent outings in FFXII and FFXIII even though they've been ragged on the most...but FFXIV is boring as hell and the only way you would enjoy the game is if you're playing it with friends or you're playing it with a LS. Telling yourself otherwise is a lie because no one can enjoy themselves repeating mundane tasks for little to no return...well maybe the minority.

[Luhy]

Don't fix what isn't broken. That's all that matters. Companies like Capcom release a new Street Fighter and they just improve what they know the fans love.. and they make 200%+ more income for 2 years straight. Just tell SE to give us what we like and stop trying to change it- it makes them their own worst enemy.

[Drex]

Ok Mack&Wolfie, now you have both cried much....

try to wait next 2 patches, if you still dont think the game is fun/playable then, you know what to do......

[Shizuo]

Make your MMOs as if you're making your offline games because one big thing you forgot to add in FFXIV is "fun" and nothing is going to change that, its ingrained in the game. This game is horrible and it might get better but it'll never become the game it could have and should have been and the game that everyone expected at launch.

At this point nothing is going to bring back the PC players, so they are completely dependent on the PS3 players simply because the magic of starting a new game is gone for almost all PC players who wanted to play this game. A year after release I still find myself wondering what the hell went wrong with this game. And now they're making a new MMO? who cares. FFXI was my first and gladly my last MMO, it was a great game and not half assed like FFXIV.

Make whatever new MMOs you have planned into something fun. Don't give us generic time sinks; like running around for ages when it comes to storyline quests, like warping around zones to shop for stuff, like running off to some corner of the map to finish a quest (the quests are boring as hell too). I mean if the game had nice environments one would accept the fact that it has you running around, its at least nice to look at, but instead we get these dull wastelands with nothing to look forward to. Doesn't look like they are going to change much when it comes to the map, and understandably, they take too much time and they have enough on their plate but this shouldn't have even been an issue. I don't care about copy/paste, I care that there is no variety whatsoever...somehow they decided that seamless is more important than variety.

SE has forgotten to add fun, interactivity, choice, and story into all of their releases post FF X. Even FF X was already showing signs of FF's degradation.

[Mack]

Ok Mack&Wolfie, now you have both cried much....

try to wait next 2 patches, if you still dont think the game is fun/playable then, you know what to do......

If the next two patches are crap I'm gonna be back here nagging just to piss you off a little.