Allagan Gear getting buffed to ilvl95.

[KaiserFire]

The problem here is the Tome system is bad design. It's an excuse for a lack of content, and as you can see from threads like this it's biting them in the rear.

ilvl50 = class quest (AF gear)
ilvl55 = WP
ilvl60 = AK
ilvl70 = [insert dungeon they didn't make]
ilvl80 = CT
ilvl90 = Coil

This is a clear vertical progression for gear based on dungeons (AF gear as a quest is fine imo). It makes sense. They're just confusing/angering their playerbase with the tome system/relic quest where you can obtain ilvl90 weapons/gear before ilvl70/ilvl80 content. Tome farming is lazy design, much like Fates.

Also, the duty finder should include all the dungeons. A significant portion of players do not have the luxury to schedule appointments (raid times) for a video game, nor the time to spend hours shouting for pugs.

[TirionCrey]

Also you cannot get a Relic in 2 hours, unless you had a super-focused FC dedicating to Relic runs, even then you need to do 9 runs of AK/CM on-top of everything else, but nice try.

I finished 2 of my Relics doing everything with PUG except Titan in 2 1/2h each. That does not include farming Philo. Farming Mythology is not really "part of the effort"...if it wasn't capped you could burn through 30WP if wanted...all doable in a day easily. If I would add the Philo needed into the process of buying the Oil for the Relic I'm still at 4h tops...

A dedicated FC doing Relic Runs could finish the whole process(w/o the Phil farm part) in shortly over an hour...

To prove a point...here are my achievement dates for Relics I got...

13.09.2013: Curtana
17.09.2013: Omnilex
22.09.2013: Artemis Bow (took a break from doing Relics after this one)
07.11.2013: Stardust Rod
10.11.2013: Thyrus
16.11.2013: Bravura
19.11.2013: Veil of Wiyu

All the Relics from 7.11.2013 to 19.11.2013 were all finished within 1-2 days...I was just too lazy to farm the Philo for the Oil right away. Thyrus and Veil of Wiyu were actually finished within 3h of starting the questline.
All these Relics include farming a Full set of DL for that job before even starting the Relic questchain...cause I don't like to be carried and rather carry my own weight. Also first Relic would have been done way earlier, but I was playing SCH on our FC Titan firstkills and farmed DL for SCH first, while having the PLD Relic quest activated cause it's my actual Main. so I delayed the whole Relic, cause I got full DL first before even tanking Titan myself.

[Babydoll]

The problem here is the Tome system is bad design. It's an excuse for a lack of content, and as you can see from threads like this it's biting them in the rear.

ilvl50 = class quest (AF gear)
ilvl55 = WP
ilvl60 = AK
ilvl70 = [insert dungeon they didn't make]
ilvl80 = CT
ilvl90 = Coil

This is a clear vertical progression for gear based on dungeons (AF gear as a quest is fine imo). It makes sense. They're just confusing/angering their playerbase with the tome system/relic quest where you can obtain ilvl90 weapons/gear before ilvl70/ilvl80 content. Tome farming is lazy design, much like Fates.

Also, the duty finder should include all the dungeons. A significant portion of players do not have the luxury to schedule appointments (raid times) for a video game, nor the time to spend hours shouting for pugs.

I agree! This game needs more horizontal progression...

[anceru]

Absolutely THE stupidest thing I have read here today, Nobody is "FORCING" you to do shit, honest question, why are you playing this game if all you have is 20 minutes a day? seriously, whats the point, you should know a game like this requires more than that if you want to accomplish anything. And for fux sake, WHY do you need top end gear if you are playing 20 minutes a day? wtf do you need it for, what will top end gear help you do in 20 minutes a day? And I really hope you are not actually suggesting being rewarded for chatting?

Im LOLing so hard. It's Brilliant.

[Pellegri]

The problem here is the Tome system is bad design. It's an excuse for a lack of content, and as you can see from threads like this it's biting them in the rear.

This is a clear vertical progression for gear based on dungeons (AF gear as a quest is fine imo). It makes sense. They're just confusing/angering their playerbase with the tome system/relic quest where you can obtain ilvl90 weapons/gear before ilvl70/ilvl80 content. Tome farming is lazy design, much like Fates.

For this game so far I'd have to agree that the tome design is inplace due to nothing more than lack of content. However as a whole the tome design(aka badge/justice/valor/whatever Rift/Tera/SWTOR/whatever else have) is there to hold sub retention, nothing gets people to stay subbed longer and running old content more than gated gear behind a weekly lockout currency system. Everything that has a dungeon currency that is used for vertical progression gear in the last 7 years has taken said system from WoW. Now to say WoW has a lack of content would be laughable at best and yet it's had the system for years, it's the same place ff14 took it from also, however in 14s case there is a lack of content.

[TirionCrey]

I spend 1h a week doing Coil Turn 1-4...I barely have anything else to do in the game besides T5 attempts til we get it down...and over the course of the last 6 weeks we barely got a total of 5h of attempts on T5...that's what most people don't seem to get. If we actually had the time in our Coil group to seriously get some T5 practice, Twintania would have been down for weeks...but oh big surprise...we have a life that we all put in front of the game...so we don't have Twintania down yet...

Hardcore people don't neccesarrily play 10h a day...they are so good at the game, they finish content and things in a matter of an hour, where other people take 3h a day for one week to finish...

I'm sick of the bullshit of "hardcore= no life". I have a job, I have a girlfriend...I have a family that i regularly meet up with over the weekend, I meet friends on tuesdays/fridays every single week but I still get shit done in the game...cause I play efficient, cause I don't wanna waste my time while playing...it was the same back in XI. I had one of the best equipped DRKs on the server...same with my other Lvl75 Jobs(I had 5 of them over the course of 2 years). People from my nation were jealous(there weren't many on the server so basically all knew each other), cause I had acheived so much more than them, so they started blaming it on me playing 24/7...I told them to /played and tell me what it says...out of everybody of them...I had the least total playtime...but achieved ten times more...

PS: People who want the highest itemlvl gear w/o doing any sort of endgame raid are just playing the wrong genre...you don't get the whole system of "progressing"...

[Dagr81]

I spend 1h a week doing Coil Turn 1-4...I barely have anything else to do in the game besides T5 attempts til we get it down...that's what most people don't seem to get.

Hardcore people don't neccesarrily play 10h a day...they are so good at the game, they finish content and things in a matter of an hour, where other people take 1 week, 3h a day to finish...

I'm sick of the bullshit of "hardcore= no life". I have a job, I have a girlfriend...I have a family that i regularly meet up with over the weekend, I meet friends on tuesdays/fridays every single week but I still get shit done in the game...cause I play efficient, cause I don't wanna waste my time while playing...

PS: People who want the highest itemlvl gear w/o doing any sort of endgame raid are just playing the wrong genre...you don't get the whole system of "progressing"...

thank you for stating this... some people do get the impression that that's what hardcore means

[Babydoll]

This thread might appreciate this comic xD

[SarcasmMisser]

I just want it so deflate the ego's of elitest who think they're better than everyone. Guess what you aren't myth is pretty much equal to allagan so the hell with you all.

Hopefully theres an end run around hardcore content for us casuals for the rest of the life of this game.

If you think having equal gear will make players think you're equal to them in ability you just proved all those elitists right.

Gear can't hide your lack of ability champ no matter how equal it is to allagan. All square is doing by making allagan weapons higher in ilevel is making it official.

Also apparently casual means being socially crippled and unable to absorb any sort of constructive criticism and hardcore is spending 2 hours a week raiding with friendly people who help each other progress. In the amount of time it takes for a DPS to queue for AK and get it done a "hardcore" person has 1-4 down. Sounds to me like the guys who are really busy and have a job should consider the "hardcore" alternative.

[Mekhana]

Please don't make Allagan gear stronger. It looks awful.