Allagan Gear getting buffed to ilvl95.

[Primm]

All of your myths. Put them on the floor.

So they make myth items worthless? Do you make less damage with myth gear when they improve allagan gear?

[Hanabira]

This is nothing like that. If getting Allagan gear is like "spending years rising through the ranks" (I won't deny Coil is a lot of work, but playing Skinner box for a couple hours a week doesn't really qualify as "work" or "putting in the time" in my book), having Coil gear's item level raised has nothing to do with that guy in the mailroom of WP.

Actually it does. The argument here is that people just doing myths are complaining that theres a chance that they wont have the same stats as the best gear anymore. So people who actually put in the time and the effort to get what they want will be ahead of the people who want to do simple tasks and expect the same reward. as it should be

[Skyl1n3]

I just dont understand the mindset here. If you spend years rising through the ranks to become a manager at a corporation, and then a few days later, someone in the mail room got promoted to the same position as you with the same pay, you cant say you wouldnt be pissed. no matter how you apply this logic, real life or otherwise, it makes 0 sense.

You mean like having to wait 3 weeks to get one main piece of ilvl90 myth gear where-as you can do any Turn in Coil in around an hour and have the possibility of getting the top-level ilvl90 drops there and then?

Makes sense...

Actually it does. The argument here is that people just doing myths are complaining that theres a chance that they wont have the same stats as the best gear anymore. So people who actually put in the time and the effort to get what they want will be ahead of the people who want to do simple tasks and expect the same reward. as it should be

For a boost of 5 ilvl's it's not going to be anything ground-breaking, at most a few +2's or so on the sub-stats, hell some Relics only got a boost of 1 main physical stat when increasing 10 ilvl's so ilvl95 isn't going to be THAT much better than current Relic +1 when they come to buffing the Allagan weapons...

[zdub303]

Reading isn't your forte, but that's okay. Here's the break down:

1) This single endgame dungeon content doesn't interest me.
2) I fear endgame content will be 1 dungeon and 1 dungeon alone as opposed to having a choice from here on out (Yes, Bichcat was talking about choices)
3) Screw terrible RNG. I can buy stuff to make gear if i want to try out the next high end content.

This is why i'm waiting for the next round of craft gear. They may be sub par, but i'd have saved my spare time in the process. Making people go through the wringer to get gear to try the next round of content (which were skipped for a reason) is a great way to do away with a portion of the player base imho.

So... wait. You are agreeing with a post that says its stupid that Allagan gear be more powerful than Mythology gear... and now you backpedal saying your waiting for the next round of crafter gear? Then why do you care about Mythology gear and how it relates to Allagan gear anyways then? As long as the content you are interested in is tailored to the level of gear you can obtain through non-raid means, why do you care what happens to raid gear?

I know its frustrating getting logic stomped on a public forum, but are the insults necessary?

[BalthierLove]

You mean like having to wait 3 weeks to get one main piece of ilvl90 myth gear where-as you can do any Turn in Coil in around an hour and have the possibility of getting the top-level ilvl90 drops there and then?

Makes sense...

Correction: It's ilvl 80 Gear not 90.

[Hanabira]

You mean like having to wait 3 weeks to get one main piece of ilvl90 myth gear where-as you can do any Turn in Coil in around an hour and have the possibility of getting the top-level ilvl90 drops there and then?

Makes sense...

Absolutely. why dont we have myth drops from brayflox or halatali then? since the level of content you do shouldnt matter and should get you the very best. you should never, ever be able to get lvl.90 items from lvl.50 content. plain and simple.

[Skyl1n3]

Correction: It's ilvl 80 Gear not 90.

All Allagan equipment is ilvl90 and all Myth Tome equipment is ilvl90 as well.

[Calyanare]

You mean like having to wait 3 weeks to get one main piece of ilvl90 myth gear where-as you can do any Turn in Coil in around an hour and have the possibility of getting the top-level ilvl90 drops there and then?

Makes sense...

This is what I'm talking about. Hanabira keeps saying Coil is the path that requires more effort to get the better gear, and it's really not. Coil provides more difficult encounters than WP, sure, but in one hour you have a chance to potentially get 8 pieces of ilvl90 gear (I know, I know... My group has only seen 2 healer drops while we've almost fully kitted out 2 dragoons. RNG). Taking the WP route, the encounter difficulty is lower, but you can only get one piece every 3 weeks. RNG does not equal "effort".

Edit: I'd actually say they come out about equal. I've gotten approximately 1 Allagan piece every 3 weeks (though not always for my main job).

[Aethaeryn]

Actually it does. The argument here is that people just doing myths are complaining that theres a chance that they wont have the same stats as the best gear anymore. So people who actually put in the time and the effort to get what they want will be ahead of the people who want to do simple tasks and expect the same reward. as it should be

My issue is that without changing the stats on some of the items from coil, I'll still be better off with myth gear on my scholar. A couple points of mind and vitality will NOT automatically make every piece BiS, so despite the fact that I'm doing coil on a job that already gets very little benefit with the gear there, I'll be punished even more if allagan armor goes up to ilevel 95.

And sorry, but with the exception of T5 (and, to a much lesser extent, T4), coil is not challenging. T1 and T2 mechanics are uninspired at best, and T4 is a gear check and a l2p check. I don't equate someone spending an hour every week doing t1-t4 something that deserves special treatment. That's why it makes a lot more sense that allagan weapons would be receiving the boost, because T5 is much more of an accomplishment.

Never mind the fact that Yoshi's whole philosophy behind the existence of gear purchasable with currency counters this argument you and others are placing that people unable/unwilling to play coil are somehow lazy and greedy. Read here to see Yoshi P.'s idea behind the system. Whether you agree with it or not, a lot of games have moved to adopt similar systems over the past decade.

[Hanabira]

This is what I'm talking about. Hanabira keeps saying Coil is the path that requires more effort to get the better gear, and it's really not. Coil provides more difficult encounters than WP, sure, but in one hour you have a chance to potentially get 8 pieces of ilvl90 gear (I know, I know... My group has only seen 2 healer drops while we've almost fully kitted out 2 dragoons. RNG). Taking the WP route, the encounter difficulty is lower, but you can only ....

Yes there should be a token system in place, but it should NOT be in significantly easier content. if you want ilvl90 gear, you run ilvl90 content, sure there is a lack of variety with ilvl 90 content, but that doesnt mean ilvl50 stuff should be used for it. How is this not making any sense? lol. it has nothing to do with the effort you put in to get your gear. Like i asked before, when we have ilvl110+ gear, should you also be able to spam WP to get it?