GRIN says SE sucks..

[Poipori]

Sadly, the quality of SE's game is really diminishing...

FF7 -> AWESOME
FF8 -> great
FF9 -> epic
FF10 -> excellent
FF11 -> best mmo (imo)
FF10-2 -> errr...
FF12 -> ugh...
FF13 -> meh...
FF14 -> holys***wtfbbq!

[Cutriss]

Man, I can't believe some of you are watching this tech video saying "Oh, that's not Final Fantasy", etc. It's a tech demo. It's like saying that a fetus doesn't look like its dad. And anyway, there's some well-known concept art out there from Fortress which definitely makes the game look like it had some good promise. The malboro is quite "epic", as one puts it.

Not saying that the information is false but using a "wiki" as a source is not a fact. But i'm sure you are wise enough to know that.

Well, normally in those instances, we have what we call "references", which are external sources that can be used to validate the content of the article.

I believe one traditionally finds these "references" linked via footnote at the end of documents that use them.

[Neptune]

Man, I can't believe some of you are watching this tech video saying "Oh, that's not Final Fantasy", etc. It's a tech demo. It's like saying that a fetus doesn't look like its dad. And anyway, there's some well-known concept art out there from Fortress which definitely makes the game look like it had some good promise.

Exactly, it's just a tech demo. It's not a final product but of course it would be asking too much of our friends on the forum to use their brain for 0.3 seconds to incorporate that fact. Nevermind that the tech demo has 100% more chocobo-riding than FFXIV does 9 months after release. And for those of you thinking this is some kind of scam, please don't be so ignorant. That GRIN was working on Fortress is old news; this is like a year old and it's an undisputed fact. Just because you have never heard of it doesn't all of a sudden make it a conspiracy. It is truly sad to see the lengths some of you will go to defend your sense of pride in your choice of hobby.

[Kiroh]

Exactly, it's just a tech demo. It's not a final product but of course it would be asking too much of our friends on the forum to use their brain for 0.3 seconds to incorporate that fact. Nevermind that the tech demo has 100% more chocobo-riding than FFXIV does 9 months after release. And for those of you thinking this is some kind of scam, please don't be so ignorant. That GRIN was working on Fortress is old news; this is like a year old and it's an undisputed fact. Just because you have never heard of it doesn't all of a sudden make it a conspiracy. It is truly sad to see the lengths some of you will go to defend your sense of pride in your choice of hobby.

Silly, don't you know anything about human nature? People will go to great lengths to defend something they've spent money on, especially when they know it was a bad purchase or a waste of money. They actually did a study on it somewhere I wish I could remember right now that proved this. In fact they also proved that the worse they feel about the purchase, the harder they will try to justify it.

[Mikita]

Silly, don't you know anything about human nature? People will go to great lengths to defend something they've spent money on, especially when they know it was a bad purchase or a waste of money. They actually did a study on it somewhere I wish I could remember right now that proved this. In fact they also proved that the worse they feel about the purchase, the harder they will try to justify it.

Hi. There are a few things related to this. Among others:

Cognitive Dissonance
Post-Decision Dissonance
Confirmation Bias

[Cairdeas]

Exactly, it's just a tech demo. It's not a final product but of course it would be asking too much of our friends on the forum to use their brain for 0.3 seconds to incorporate that fact. Nevermind that the tech demo has 100% more chocobo-riding than FFXIV does 9 months after release. And for those of you thinking this is some kind of scam, please don't be so ignorant. That GRIN was working on Fortress is old news; this is like a year old and it's an undisputed fact. Just because you have never heard of it doesn't all of a sudden make it a conspiracy. It is truly sad to see the lengths some of you will go to defend your sense of pride in your choice of hobby.

We are not disputing that Grin was working on a project it called Final Fantasy : Fortress. What we are disputing is that Square Enix had any involvement in its start. From what I've been able to find, Square Enix has had no documentation about this game. And they ALWAYS announce outside developers working to publish a game in their IP's. They announced DSIII before Obsidian even started working on it.


To Me it sounds like the following happened.

Grin: Man we made a fortune doing that Bionic commando remake, I bet if we picked another ip and made a Game for it we could make even more.

Grin: Spend 6 Months working on a Concept to push to SE.

Grin: Hey Square? We've spent the last 6 months building a concept for a new Final Fantasy.

SE: Wut? Uh ok? Fax us the concepts and we'll go from there.

Grin: Sure... (Sends a bunch of stuff)

SE: This doesn't resemble Final Fantasy, Sorry.

Grin: Wait what about this. (Sends SE their own art)

SE: Listen I don't think you understand, maybe you should just stop?

Grin: Cry Cry Whine Whine bitch, SE didn't give us any money and now we have to close.

[Mack]

Sadly, the quality of SE's game is really diminishing...

FF7 -> AWESOME
FF8 -> great
FF9 -> epic
FF10 -> excellent
FF11 -> best mmo (imo)
FF10-2 -> errr...
FF12 -> ugh...
FF13 -> meh...
FF14 -> holys***wtfbbq!

In your opinion. The only game on that list that I dislike in any way is FFXIV.

[SuzakuCMX]

Sadly, the quality of SE's game is really diminishing...

FF7 -> AWESOME
FF8 -> great
FF9 -> epic
FF10 -> excellent
FF11 -> best mmo (imo)
FF10-2 -> errr...
FF12 -> ugh...
FF13 -> meh...
FF14 -> holys***wtfbbq!

1 -> Revolutionized the RPG world
2 -> I know a lot of people who want to forget this one
3 -> Onion Knights fucking rock
4 -> Kain is now the trademark Dragoon in the series
5 -> Everybody loves Gilgamesh and it also had one of the most fun job systems
6 -> Had one of the best villains in the series and one of the most interesting plots (though sorta weird), a bit different from the others but similar to IV
7 -> You either love it or hate it, most people love it
8 -> I didn't like it but ok
9 -> My favorite one
10 -> This one is excellent but 12 isn't? Questioning your tastes
11 -> Very old school, very hardcore...not the best MMO at all but fun if you're into that thing
12 -> I liked this one and almost every critic loved it...it was even named the best PS2 and RPG by many sites and magazines (including GameSpot, GameSpy, IGN, and Famitsu)
13 -> I disliked it but that was personal preference. The story was ok but the characters made me ":I." Graphics were stunning and the new battle system was...interesting I guess. The only parts I disliked were the characters and the long hallways
14 -> Has great potential but we've yet to see what happens.

Don't assert your opinion as positive fact. FF is doing better now than they ever were in the past in terms of critical reviews and cash (not included: Final Fantasy XIV)