Summoners, cap pet accuracy or no?

[xxalucard]

Not to mention he/she is still completely disregarding the DET gain in addition the accuracy.

I disregard it because no one knows how much DET = +1 damage to our attacks. I asked this before in another thread and no one seemed to be able to know for sure if even very large amounts of DET (100+) were really significantly affecting the damage or not. The only response I got with a number was something like "40 DET might equal +1 damage".

While that is more realistic, this is not factoring in the DET gain, and is still too high. This poster is simply on the crit hype-train and thinks the pet is worthless, where it is actually our strongest "DoT."

Not even factoring in the burst DPS of the pet during Rouse/Spur, or the use of Enkindle, where misses have a lot more weight.

I don't think Garuda's worthless, I just don't believe that Garuda's occasional extra misses, even while under rouse or spur, will lead to a DPS loss that outweighs your DoTs extra crit potential throughout the fight. Rouse / spur / enkindle aren't up constantly like DoTs are and garuda can only target one thing at a time as he attacks. In a 13 minute fight your dots will tic quite a large number of times, even if you estimate the lower end of non-optimal uptime with them. With that many tics even 1% can actually add to a significant number of extra crits.

There's a reason I have my AF2 chest, but still use Vanya(until I get my AF2 boots or Allagan Boots).

The loss of Accuracy from 442 to 415 is way too much for the pet, and it's consistently been a DPS loss.

Wind blade "not helping much"? Are you joking? It's more than twice as strong as Bio, which is our strongest DoT, and that's not factoring in Rouse/Spur/Enkindle for burst scenarios, where it is more than 4 times as strong, per wind blade, than a Bio tick.

But Bio can be on multiple things at once (as all your other dots) with a huge amount of up-time, while enkindle can only be used a few times in the fight. I do admit, though, that rouse and spur are added risks if he does miss because of the -5% accuracy.

However, Garuda does not gain from Raging Strikes. Your DoTs do. Raging Strikes adds even more value to your dot crit potential and when used in conjunction with contagion / bane (preferably both) it has a very high dps value for bonus crits while active.


I'm not trying to be a blind crit fanboy, though it may seem that way. There are at least a few good reasons behind my thinking (I hope).

[Yukagama]

You don't need an 'official' source. Download a parser (logrep2, ffxiv-app) and go to Turn 5. Have your pet attack Twintania, watch it miss.

SE isn't going to come out and say 'here are the official accuracy caps for all the content', this is left up to the players to test and determine. The players have pegged the SMN accuracy cap at 432-435 and the pet accuracy cap at ~450.

If you take those values as truth, it is not hard to determine how much a 5% loss of accuracy on a pet affects your overall DPS potential.

YES YES But was just saying it would be nice if they did give us official statement for this but yeah of course Must be Tested for the players to find out.

[Kevee]

Raging Strikes adds even more value to your dot crit potential and when used in conjunction with contagion / bane (preferably both) it has a very high dps value for bonus crits while active.

No.

Crit is a static, never-changing value. It will always add the same amount of DPS. Yes, a crit during RS will add more damage, but it doesn't add more DPS.

even if you estimate the lower end of non-optimal uptime with them. With that many tics even 1% can actually add to a significant number of extra crits.

No. It will add 1% more crit.

[T0rin]

I'm not trying to be a blind crit fanboy, though it may seem that way.

I'm really big on crit too. There is a good deal of theorycrafting going on in the community in general for every class, to try to figure out realistic stat weights for everything. Nobody knows anything for sure, but what people have been able to anecdotally figure out is that crit is the best secondary stat for SMN by a good margin. Det is worth less, about roughly half as much as crit, maybe a little more. Spell speed is worth even less than Det, and is worth 1/3 to 1/4th as much as crit.

If you take those assumptions to be true, the math on pet accuracy vs crit damage is still true. For Allagan Pants vs AF+1 Pants, when your pet is under the accuracy cap, the AF+1 pants are better by almost a margin of 3:1 for DPS contribution against a single target. It is true, that when regularly fighting more than 1 target, the boost to SMN DPS potential can come to outweigh any lost accuracy from Garuda. But, the way the math pans out, I think you would have to fight an average of 3 targets at all times for this particular scenario to work out better on behalf of the +crit rather than the pet accuracy.

But, it's all kind of a stupid argument, because as far as DPS for Accuracy trade-offs go, AF+1 Pants instead of Allagan pants is one of the WORST trade-offs that can be potentially made.

[Fire-Dragon-DoL]

Guys I've an important question. I've heared around that CAP for DET is 250, is it true? Is it a softcap maybe? Because my lv 90 gear choice changes heavily if that's true. Second point. Is crit cap 550? (even softcap). Let me know, both things are really important to choose my gear.

[horaiyo]

I thought they debunked the soft cap theory for det/crit, but I could be wrong.

[loqgames]

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