Final Fantasy touch to the game.

[Kallera]

So you have a collective... what, eight lines of lore in-game? Which essentially summarize the paragraph in the manual. That's your argument for the compelling lore in this game? And don't get me started on comparing a premier gaming title in 2011 to SNES games from the 90's.

Single-player RPG's are adventures on rails. The developer sets up a nice scenery, but you're on rails. Your field of vision is limited and guided, and thus, they determine how much information is needed to keep your eye busy, to keep suspension of disbelief and immersion.

MMO's aren't on-rails. You get dumped in this world and you're told to go see it, go explore it, get sucked in by its history, its people. Except here, the lore is a fraction of what even a single-player RPG delivers for a mere 40-60 hours of play. FFXIII's universe has much more story depth and lore than this game does in its current state, and that just shouldn't be.

Die-hard fans of this community sure love to tell people they're lazy, and need to get up and find their fun, and their lore, and their everything. At what point are you, the fan, willing to do the job of the developer that's trying to sell you these games and still pay them? If the core story of the world is so scattered that I have to go on an epic quest of knowledge to learn things that ought to be common knowledge for an Eorzean citizen, that's bad storytelling, no matter how much "self-service" spin you throw at me. There should be lore nuggets to encourage you to explore, but a game still needs a story, and that story needs to be communicated effectively to the player through content.

Get real. The reason this game's in trouble is because it needs work and feels half-baked. Even SE agrees, which is why we're not paying to play it and they're working frantically to fix it. It's no coincidence that one of the bigger requests in the player poll (which, by the way, is extremely biased towards the die-hard fan that's still playing and active in the community) was more quests and story content.

The info is not there. It's lacking, and you need to stop trying to cover the sun with a finger.

You want more lore, then say the game's system is fixed, if it is not fixed, the dev team will be focused on fixing the game system. Why? Because the game system affects the player's experience the moment they start the game, not at rank 46 looking for NMs.

I didn't say the game was perfect, I'm not even arguing how good or bad it is, I'm saying the thread's original point won't work. To twist a phrase: you cannot destroy eorzea to save eorzea. The flow of lore can only pick up after the game system is dealt with.

[Onidemon]

You want more lore, then say the game's system is fixed, if it is not fixed, the dev team will be focused on fixing the game system. Why? Because the game system affects the player's experience the moment they start the game, not at rank 46 looking for NMs.

I didn't say the game was perfect, I'm not even arguing how good or bad it is, I'm saying the thread's original point won't work. To twist a phrase: you cannot destroy eorzea to save eorzea. The flow of lore can only pick up after the game system is dealt with.

Nobody is saying that this issue should be addressed first. Sure the game's systems is more important and nobody is expecting content anytime soon, at least not until that is fixed.

But when you think about it.... It is understandable to have broken/bad systems... they were experimenting new stuff and tried to be original. It just didn't turn out too good but we understand.... What i can't understand is their excuse for a world that is lacking so much after 5 years of development....

EDIT: and i'm tired of pple always posting "the systems/foundations need fixing first!" argument on every thread. The broken and poorly balanced systems of this game have been discussed billion of times and Yoshi-P has discussed them in every letter/interviews .... We are aware of these issues and their importance and SE too is well aware of them and guess what? They are currently working on them!

That doesn't mean we cannot discuss other aspects of the game until these get fixed.... the copy/pasted maps... additional content... any suggestion that can make the world better is welcome as this kind of stuff will take a long time to develop. you may not like my idea but other pple suggested cool things too.

[Ablongman]

You want more lore, then say the game's system is fixed, if it is not fixed, the dev team will be focused on fixing the game system. Why? Because the game system affects the player's experience the moment they start the game, not at rank 46 looking for NMs.

I didn't say the game was perfect, I'm not even arguing how good or bad it is, I'm saying the thread's original point won't work. To twist a phrase: you cannot destroy eorzea to save eorzea. The flow of lore can only pick up after the game system is dealt with.

No. That is not what you said, what you said was that the lore was there in the NPC's and manual, and that we had to go out there and find it. If you're chosen to abandon this point, we are no longer in disagreement. I never claimed that there aren't other areas that need attention... there most definitely are, this game's in a bad state. The game systems are flat-out bad.

But content is one of the more popular requests in the player polls too, so don't underestimate the power of a good story to retain players despite a game's technical shortcomings. Not everyone is a R46 looking for NM's, but everyone is exposed to the game's story, and a good story captures players.

[Kallera]

No. That is not what you said, what you said was that the lore was there in the NPC's and manual, and that we had to go out there and find it. If you're chosen to abandon this point, we are no longer in disagreement. I never claimed that there aren't other areas that need attention... there most definitely are, this game's in a bad state. The game systems are flat-out bad.

But content is one of the more popular requests in the player polls too, so don't underestimate the power of a good story to retain players despite a game's technical shortcomings. Not everyone is a R46 looking for NM's, but everyone is exposed to the game's story, and a good story captures players.

If you're going to say "SE, fix everything!" That isn't an answer to their problems, it is just as constructive as saying nothing is wrong. I also wanted more content, but I'm also aware that the only reason XI had seemingly lots of contect was due to it already being out in japan for two years. This just released, the fact they are changing it suggests they want it to last. I expect they will release more content/lore, as all MMOs do, but not before the system is fixed, and a little before asking for money to fund their game.