Yep, its too much. They're going to buff warriors too much if those changes go live

[Amas]

There's no reason to save Wrath stacks any more due to the changes in Defiance. Which is the change that Warrior mechanics needed most. So why wouldn't you blow IB everytime you have a full Wrath stack when you're tanking? It's a 6sec Rampart every ~15sec. It sounds pretty OP to me.

Because incoming damage taken is not flat, ensuring that the 20% DR buff is active in accordance with spike damage (insofar as you are able) is superior, from a mitigation perspective, from just blowing it as soon as you get it.

And it's more like every 22-24s, which is actually a big difference.

Stop eating forum beliefs when I say War are miles ahead trust me they are we been parsing our war vs pld in dps gear and hands down war is better... talking not even close like 170 - 180 dps vs 200 - 220 dps on our warrior.

And thats with the pld getting the warriors debuff... just saying with being able to IB more often War damage out put will really take off....

Oh and what plp dont under stand you can put up defiance stance enrage IB and drop stance every 60 seconds to add to your dps rotation you dont keep the stance on the whole fight.

Funny, there are plenty of parses that say the exact opposite. Sounds like based on a combination of gear and skill, your WAR is better at DPS than your PLD.

The math says they should be equal or PLD in the lead, and there is just as much empirical evidence the opposite (e.g. the 220 DPS on Twintania from BG's off-tank, who is a PLD running Sword Oath for most of the fight and spec'd into STR instead of VIT, with no WAR in party to grant a slashing damage bonus).

[Solduios]

Funny, there are plenty of parses that say the exact opposite. Sounds like based on a combination of gear and skill, your WAR is better at DPS than your PLD.
The math says they should be equal or PLD in the lead, and there is just as much empirical evidence the opposite (e.g. the 220 DPS on Twintania from BG's off-tank, who is a PLD running Sword Oath for most of the fight and spec'd into STR instead of VIT, with no WAR in party to grant a slashing damage bonus).

Bet warrior who knew what he was doing with same gear as pld would do more auto atk dmg is crap most the dmg comes from weapon skills.

[TaranNos]

Bet warrior who knew what he was doing with same gear as pld would do more auto atk dmg is crap most the dmg comes from weapon skills.

yeah, screw math! gut feelings ftw!

[Solduios]

yeah, screw math! gut feelings ftw!

Lolo auto atk dmg

[Lex_Luger]

Lolo auto atk dmg

LOL. You realize in a sustained fight, between two equally geared/skilled paladins doing the same rotation will result in the Sword Oath paladin pulling hate VERY easily within a minute, right? Do you have any idea how fast PLD auto attacks? 50 extra potency might not seem like a lot, add that up hundreds of times, and get rid of the -20% dmg reduction from shield oath too.

[Solduios]

LOL. You realize in a sustained fight, between two equally geared/skilled paladins doing the same rotation will result in the Sword Oath paladin pulling hate VERY easily within a minute, right? Do you have any idea how fast PLD auto attacks? 50 extra potency might not seem like a lot, add that up hundreds of times, and get rid of the -20% dmg reduction from shield oath too.

What like a 45 min fight? .... hm 50 potency on auto atk vs 20% dmg buff up all the time only problem with war is substained dps is TP taxing.

[Lex_Luger]

What like a 45 min fight? .... hm 50 potency on auto atk vs 20% dmg buff up all the time only problem with war is substained dps is TP taxing.

Ever heard of turn 5?

[Lex_Luger]

Lolo auto atk dmg

Spoken like a dude who hasn't even done coil. Why don't you make those achievements public tough guy?

[Solduios]

Spoken like a dude who hasn't even done coil. Why don't you make those achievements public tough guy?

Yup whats this coil thing never been there nope.... not at all

[Lex_Luger]

Yup whats this coil thing never been there nope.... not at all

My apologies as I confused this thread with another similar one, created by a warrior who hasn't even been to coil. Regardless of that, your ignorance about auto-attacks is both hilarious and frightening.