Yep, its too much. They're going to buff warriors too much if those changes go live

[wonka11]

I've said it over and over again, while getting bashed and told I was an idiot for saying that warrior was fine and paladins were the class they should reevaluated (nerf).

I knew they were going to make Warriors too powerful as soon as I saw what mine was capable of doing in coil compared to what paladin could do. Warriors were never the problem, we just needed a nerf to paladin.

What a shame, this is going to cause a huge secondary dispute over which tank to bring to coil now, or if you should double up on two warriors.

Like I said before, and I'll say it again, Inc Bard rerolls to the class.

What I've posted on the subject before:

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...losophies_and/

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...cleared-Turn-1 (5 isn't even the highest, I've done 8 as my personal best since then).


Nobody listened.

If this continues to be their design philosophy, we're going to be looking at a severely watered down game in the future with no challenge. We don't need another WoW, we need this game, in its current state with small changes, to provide a fun, challenging, and rewarding experience.

[Codek]

Over Buff? Probably, but I fail to see how this is going to destroy tanking as a whole.

The problem before was that it's was much harder for Warriors to simply survive the big hits based off their own utilities. This lead to a surge of running double Pallies for group comp's.
Now both classes are fully capable of doing this. I didn't really see anything in the suggested changes that screamed to me that double War is the go to strategy. The synergy between the two are still worth something (Halone + Blind from flash/ SE + SP debuffs).

I think I need to hear a more compelling argument based of the changes as to why Double Warrior would take over tanking. Otherwise it's far to early to make a call that this is game breaking.

[symba]

time to reroll warrior!

[Gardes]

Should let players exchange myth gear to another equal of their cost and let players see for themselves. Put a weekly limit on it to prevent players from changing around too much or something

Oh, I'm just joking. Or am I?

[Maelwys]

So, if I'm reading the changes correctly, Warriors are becoming less self-sufficient (300% to 100% on Inner Beast is a LOT) but getting stackable Damage Reduction debuffs.

Defiance getting the +Healing instead of Wrath is long overdue.
The 30% reduction change to Vengence is very nice. Strength / Uptime is roughly on par with Rampart or Sentinel from PLD. That will help WAR speedrun performance immensely.
The 20% from Inner Beast (up for 6s every ~7 GCDs, not counting Infuriate) is effectively an answer to PLD's Shield Blocks (but more dependable!) and will help a LOT of new WARs get through the likes of HM Titan with proper timing.

The rest of it is interesting... the Mercy Stroke Cooldown reduction will help PLD as well as WAR.
And I'm looking forward to seeing what that change to Storm's Path entails... single-target debuff, self-buff, etc.
And Holmgang immortality mode?!? Yikes.

Speaking as a PLD main, I like these changes. It might even make me want to play my WAR occasionally.

[Sybreed]

This is exactly the sort of Chicken Little posting that makes developers not want to post patch notes to the public before things go live.

[Riffy]

meow

gobble gobble gobble!

rawr!

[Garnatian]

Holy... s**t.

Looks like WAR > PLD.

[MBTL90]

With these changes, wars will easily become the go to tanks for both AoE and burst mitigation. They are already better AoE tanks, and now wars will be much better than paladins on fights like Titan and Twintania. Having 20% DR up every Death sentence, in addition to the bigger HP pool will make wars by far the superior tank. To even approach that sort of mitigation every 30-35 sec, Paladins have to use a 1.5-2m cd. This isn't even counting them straight up adding another defensive cd to wars that is better than all but one of the CD's pallies have.

In a vacuum, the classes are probably close to each other. If you crunch the numbers, their average mitigation over a fight is now probably similar. Situationally, ie in all the content that matters right now, wars will be just better.

[Hikari_Koizumi]

Time to change my paladin to warrior =l ...