[Guide] Paladin Tanking Compendium 2.0

[Traek]

Is this based on watching the threat bars? I have a theory on this.

Note: all numbers are pulled from my ass, and only used to illustrate my theory.

Lets say tank1 has been attacking a mob and has built up 500 threat.
Tank 2 is at 0 threat.
Tank1 has a full threat bar, tank2 has an empty threat bar.

Tank2 starts attacking the same mob and acquires threat at the same rate as tank1.
Time passes, now tank1 is at 1000 threat and tank2 is at 500 threat.
Tank1 has full threat bar, tank2 has 50% threat bar.

Time passes, now tank1 is at 2000 threat and tank2 is at 1500 threat.
Tank1 has full threat bar, tank2 has 75% threat bar.

From the bars, it appears that tank2 is catching up, but he consistently remains 500 threat behind.

This is just a theory, I have no idea if the threat bars work that way.

This is exactly what I witness happening each time, and figured they were seeing as well. The threat is relative, so of course you'll see the bars filling up based off the % of overall threat that has been generated.

I paid attention to Cad tanking during our kite phase today. I still don't see it. It might not seem relevant but I almost never miss a Halone combo when following Cad, so seeming as the kite tank is never generating threat, theoretically if I was receiving some form of boost to threat, I'd catch up before the end of kite phase. Seeming as they split at the same % health, he has had as much time to threat gen on his mob, as it'd take to kill a 65% health split add. There is always some tolerances for error, but I'm just not seeing the threat *handicap* being described. I'm still very interested in any tests to prove its existence however. I still believe its based off of CD usage, and lucky crits/sword oath if you see any gains.

I'll try to pay attention today in Turn 4 as well. Maybe I'll notice something there..?

[Basilisk]

Just Bought the HQ Darksteel Legs for Pld Just curious of What the proper Way of Melding them are pleae and thank you

[Pixelshader]

Just Bought the HQ Darksteel Legs for Pld Just curious of What the proper Way of Melding them are pleae and thank you

I would use the formula on the gear post. There is a section where it says determ=parry, thats a point where you can choose threat over mitigation. Both work so it's up to you.

[Xarlan]

I'm sad to hear you're going. I just wanted to take the time to thank you. Your posts on PLD have single handedly increased my skill and ability 10-fold, making my experience and that of the people I've had the pleasure of partying with, a more enjoyable one. Your efforts and willingness to share your knowledge have been much appreciated by those, like me, who lack the time and/or skill to do the math! Thanks again!

[Pixelshader]

I'm sad to hear you're going. I just wanted to take the time to thank you. Your posts on PLD have single handedly increased my skill and ability 10-fold, making my experience and that of the people I've had the pleasure of partying with, a more enjoyable one. Your efforts and willingness to share your knowledge have been much appreciated by those, like me, who lack the time and/or skill to do the math! Thanks again!

Thank you for the kind words! Yeah I was really excited about this game, but it appears all it had going was FFXI nostalgia. It has quite a bit of work to keep up with current mmos and especially if it wants to survive the onslaught of the next gen ones coming up. I hope someone will continue my work when I leave as well. FFXIV does have a really cool community and I will miss it, but as I said in my announcement I was losing quite a bit of skill as a player due to the simplicity of the game.

[Sinhalo]

Please dont leave! I just started playing an your guide has brought major interest to tanking! If anything what game you playing next?

[PiedPiper]

SNIP.

I assume/have assumed this is how the threat bars work. So yes, the percentage would continue to increase, but there should, in theory, always be a gap.

Here's the rub: I am consistently able to overtake the other tank (as in actually pull threat). If it were as simple as maintaining a fixed gap, and the gap just becoming less of the total threat, you should only ever approach 100% asymptotically. Unfortunately, the only place in the game for me to test this now seems to be then end of turn 4, but as the weeks go by the fight is shortening so I don't really have much time on target to mess with it, and we've changed to the single tank method in turn 5.

I may be insane, but as I said, I am looking for an explanation as to why we are both able to overtake each other (again, this seems to exclude the possibility of a skill gap being the cause). To troll, I did this on Ifrit the other day, granted there was a huge gear gap between myself and the random baby pally that was duty findering iffy, but I waited until the very last 25% of the fight to start using combos and just shot right past him.

[Segoris]

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Dibs on your Coeurl gils and mats!

Actually, thanks for the efforts on this as it has been helpful while I was playing catch-up to friends since I started the game well after they did. It's also the only bookmark to the official forums I've made.

I definitely agree about this game and its simplicity though. The toughest challenges so far have been combating lag, dealing with the tedium of the fate grind, and an awful, *awful* UI, which are not the places where the challenge should be. I have no faith that PVP will be any good, but I have no faith that the upcoming MMOs you mention will be any good either. The MMO genre is completely f'd, sadly.

[Pixelshader]

Please dont leave! I just started playing an your guide has brought major interest to tanking! If anything what game you playing next?

Haha. Thank you for the kind words, but I really can't stay. The fundamentals of the combat system are causing me to lose my edge of having high reaction time and rapid eye movement.

As for where I am going, I feel it would be unfair to the developers of this game to advertise for a game I plan to go to, but on my channel you will see some new videos of me tanking.

[Pixelshader]

Dibs on your Coeurl gils and mats!

Actually, thanks for the efforts on this as it has been helpful while I was playing catch-up to friends since I started the game well after they did. It's also the only bookmark to the official forums I've made.

I definitely agree about this game and its simplicity though. The toughest challenges so far have been combating lag, dealing with the tedium of the fate grind, and an awful, *awful* UI, which are not the places where the challenge should be. I have no faith that PVP will be any good, but I have no faith that the upcoming MMOs you mention will be any good either. The MMO genre is completely f'd, sadly.

Haha. Doesn't look like you're on my server sorry.

As for the comment of mmos in general, I couldn't disagree more. There are some really awesome mmo's on the horizon. Especially the one I'm beta testing right now. In regards to FFXIV, it's not a bad mmo, its actually one of the best ones out there currently. I just find it to slow and it doesn't suit my taste. It sounds like you are burned out on mmo's in general, so rather than disrespecting devs I would advise you take a break from mmo's. They put a lot of hard work into what they create and it's hard to compete with seasoned and well known mmo's. It's very comparable to music. Some may not like your sound or you may be a one hit wonder, but if you dont like it don't be listen to it. There's absolutely no reason to trash talk it especially on their official boards.