FC Training

[Maqaqa]

Ignore me if you want, taking the DPS role with a tank isnt something that define a player as "above average".
Im just being 100% honest.
I was willing to do the same out of desperation, thanks god it wasnt needed.

[SpookyGhost]

Tanking Titan as either PLD or WAR isn't difficult and everything you think you're doing in that fight is all the work of the healers. WAR is only slightly harder because it has less to work with. DPSing as WAR is significantly harder as you have to actually MOVE and keep up your DPS rotation, going in and out of Defiance when you can blow an Inner Beast/Unchained, keeping Berserk on cooldown (+ saving it for heart phase), keeping Internal Release on cooldown, not spamming BB combo and out threating the MT by a mile, etc. It's... honestly nowhere near as difficult to tank it as it is to DPS.

[Ehayte]

Sorry but i had to say it, going DPS is the easy route. It might be needed but nothing to be proud about.

I have tanked Titan on WAR (7200hp), I just meant the first time I ever had to dodge the mechanics as a non-tank in Titan, I lived through the whole thing - I just used WAR because I didn't have another DPS class @ 50. I have tanked Titan to completion on PLD and WAR. I get what you are saying, though - and thank you for the advice : D

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I've spent a decent amount of Myth on my PLD (AF2 chest and helm), but I would LOVE to switch to WAR if they fix it in 2.1 - so if we find either tank I'd be ecstatic to adjust, given 2.1 is all I ever dreamed.

I'm pretty confident I can coordinate silencing on rotation along with tanking - so I guess one BRD will be good.

I have relics on both my tanks, DRG has the DRG PLD and WAR relic, SCH has SCH and BRD, MNK has MNK relic and just needs titan for BLM relic, WHM #1 has WHM relic and is on titan for SMN relic... WHM 2 and BLM are not relic'd. There are consistently 2-3 people that have issues on Titan. Our next night I have a couple people that will help, and we will try to get it done. I think the most alarming this is that if we beat Titan tonight, we couldn't reasonably go to coil with our current group make-up.

[Traek]

Well sounds like you have some people in there solid enough for Titan. I will take a slight guess that a healer going down might be bottle-necking your Titan. If that is the case, try a three heal combo. If your DD is respectable, you can down Titan heart with 4 DD pretty easy (especially with ST LB), helps to have 1 healer DD during heart phase if you are lacking. Sometimes finagling people around is all it needs. I was helping some FC members with it and wiped 7 straight times, we switched one guy to heals (3 heal) and 1 shot it the next time. Try to find where you group is lacking and get creative with it if need be. Also, try carrying a few people through with your mostly relic group, then go back for secondary classes, maybe 2 at a time. We had a large group of people in the FC we did this with.. 3 Titan wins in a row (we actually were doing~ 3 at a time) and got a bunch of alts and FC people cycled through for their win.

I'm sure you have thought of some of this, just throwing it out there in case.

I'm pretty pumped for 2.1 as well.. I've been saving all my myth for warrior so I can swing back on it if Pld/Pld isn't so much easier on the group anymore. If you plan on going Warrior with buffs, I'd make sure you got a Pld as a co-tank for when you make the switch. I can't see them making significant enough changes where War/War will be desired. In just general outline of CDs and tanking style, you'll most likely want at least 1 Pld.

[Maqaqa]

Tanking Titan as either PLD or WAR isn't difficult and everything you think you're doing in that fight is all the work of the healers. WAR is only slightly harder because it has less to work with. DPSing as WAR is significantly harder as you have to actually MOVE and keep up your DPS rotation, going in and out of Defiance when you can blow an Inner Beast/Unchained, keeping Berserk on cooldown (+ saving it for heart phase), keeping Internal Release on cooldown, not spamming BB combo and out threating the MT by a mile, etc. It's... honestly nowhere near as difficult to tank it as it is to DPS.

Hmmm i dont remember saying tanking Titan was difficult...
Luckily the OP understood what i meant.
And i suggest him to use a PLD/PLD setup for the first coil runs, and switch to PLD/WAR when they are more experienced and geared (no need to wait 2.1).
It takes some runs, some gear and experience (for all the party) but at some point the war will turn from a burden to a resource.

edit: i forgot to say... put your SCH on the WAR, especially while tanking Caduceus.

[Traek]

Hmmm i dont remember saying tanking Titan was difficult...
Luckily the OP understood what i meant.
And i suggest him to use a PLD/PLD setup for the first coil runs, and switch to PLD/WAR when they are more experienced and geared (no need to wait 2.1).
It takes some runs, some gear and experience (for all the party) but at some point the war will turn from a burden to a resource.

I do agree with this, for sure. Its also a good reason to start out with x2 BRDs till you get rotations down. It really just makes life easier, even if they aren't necessary. Since you are stretching for one BRD OP, just go with that expecting some extra work on your part for silence. Again it all comes down to practice and patience, I'm confident your group can get it if you sit and grind out some practice.

[Ehayte]

So here's an update, and thanks for all the input, again.

We had a chat last night, and picked up an 8th member. This is NOT ideal, but we are going to have to work with it:

PLD
PLD
WHM
WHM
DRG
MNK
BRD
BLM

That's the best I could finagle in terms of people switching classes. The SCH changed to BRD for us, he's almost full DL and Relic, the +1 Dragoon is changing to PLD for us, who is also full DL and Relic.

Can we do ADS with BRD/PLD/MNK sharing the silences? I ran a spreadsheet and BRD/PLD doesn't make it past the 3rd Paralyze. I don't mess with MNK beyond getting Featherfoot for my WAR, but he told me there is an instant animation GCD Silence they have - can we just time it with the MNK and have the BRD play TP to mitigate the high MNK silence TP cost? Or is that dumb?

[Maqaqa]

Two WHMs, no SCH. Me no like!
It can work but WHM + SCH is really a better combo.
You can do ADS no problem with BRD/PLD/MNK especially with 2 PLDs.

can we just time it with the MNK and have the BRD play TP to mitigate the high MNK silence TP cost? Or is that dumb?

I think PLD and BRD are enough to silence with monk as backup, but im not 100% sure.

[Ehayte]

Two WHMs, no SCH. Me no like!
It can work but WHM + SCH is really a better combo.
You can do ADS no problem with BRD/PLD/MNK especially with 2 PLDs.

I know, but I got what I got - we're casual, people aren't going to put in 40 hours of work to switch from one healing class to the other.

2 PLDs... Doesn't one need to break off and off-tank?

[Maqaqa]

On ADS both PLDs are going to tank and trade hate every 3 debuff stacks, so while one is tanking the other one is always ready to silence.
Might be tricky to coordinate the first couple of times but its nothing you cant handle with TS and/or macros.

I understand you are casual and i dont like "optimal setups" (as a war i dont even fit those lol) but if one of your whms is willing to level SCH, at his own pace, without any hurry, well it would benefit your party on the long run, keep in mind they share most of the gear so its one less thing to take care of... just an advice ^^.