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  1. #11
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    Bridgeburner's Avatar
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    Doctor Witch
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 86
    Quote Originally Posted by GinTama View Post
    if you have to heal at all before bees spawn, your party gets hit too much.
    Healing pre-bees is not optional; the team will be taking unavoidable damage from Demon Wall's random single-target attacks.

    Perhaps the writer meant "if you have to lose Cleric Stance at all" -- which I'd be more inclined to agree with.
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  2. #12
    Player Whippet's Avatar
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    Maple Flavor
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    Balmung
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    Conjurer Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgeburner View Post
    Healing pre-bees is not optional; the team will be taking unavoidable damage from Demon Wall's random single-target attacks.

    Perhaps the writer meant "if you have to lose Cleric Stance at all" -- which I'd be more inclined to agree with.
    He's right if YOU need to heal pre bees theres a problem

    Eos or Selene can solo heal while you nuke
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  3. #13
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    Leon_Stormrage's Avatar
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    Leon Stormrage
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    Cactuar
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Whippet View Post
    He's right if YOUR PARTY IS FULL DL + RELIC (SO THE UNAVOIDABLE ATACK DOESN'T HIT THEM SO MUCH) AND YOU need to heal pre bees theres a problem

    Eos or Selene can solo heal while you nuke
    I fixed it for you.
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  4. #14
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    Delvish Strebers
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    Balmung
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    Since I DF AK most of the time, I go lazy mode during the wall (there is always one guy...). Stoneskin, Succor, Plop Eos in the center right in front of the wall. Dodge middle, dodge sides, another Succor. Dodge middle, dodge sides, another Succor. Repel, dodge middle, dodge sides, Succor. Leeches everyone who can't dodge, Sacred Soil after repel during bees. This will win every time if you kill bees, 80% of the time if you don't.

    If you want to do it right and have an actually decent group, placing either fairy and stance dancing is the way to do it, as mentioned before.
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  5. #15
    Player Whippet's Avatar
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    Maple Flavor
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leon_Stormrage View Post
    I fixed it for you.
    Eos can solo heal a pt at demon wall even if full GC gear dont be dumb
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  6. #16
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    FinagleABagel's Avatar
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    Semir No'haelis
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    Midgardsormr
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Whippet is correct, you all are making one of the easiest bosses in the game entirely too complex.

    1) Don't bother placing your fairy, there's no reason to.
    2) Cast a succor before the fight starts.
    3) Enter cleric stance.
    4) DoT damage rotations with Ruin II / Energy Drain off-GCD cycles.
    5) Rely on your team to dodge the things that can be dodged.
    6) Melee LB (or magic LB) whenever the bar is full.

    If:

    A) Your team doesn't look like it will beat the Wall by the bee spawn (or isn't close)

    1) Exit Cleric Stance.
    2) Drop a Sacred Soil in the middle.
    3) Swiftcast a Succor.
    4) Adlo your tank.
    5) Physicks

    B) Your team will beat it prior to bee spawn.

    1) Congrats, you are a boss you just owned the Demon Wall.
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  7. #17
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    Delvish Strebers
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 0
    You should absolutely place your fairy for several reasons.
    1. When you move, your fairy doesn't cure, thus reducing curing output (unless you manual embrace, then see #2).
    2. When you move, your fairy follows BEHIND you, not with you. If you are too slow in moving from the side to the middle, fairy is stopping to cure, or you just don't move far enough into the center, your fairy just got hit with slow.
    3. Placing Eos in the center only gets hit with negligible damage (sustain at worst, but nothing a Succor won't fix) and weight, but she's placed so not moving.
    4. If off to the sides too much when repelled, fairies do not float off the side of the map. She will fall in this instance unlike The Navel and no longer able to cure your party. Good job.
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  8. #18
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    FinagleABagel's Avatar
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    Semir No'haelis
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delvish View Post
    You should absolutely place your fairy for several reasons.
    1. When you move, your fairy doesn't cure, thus reducing curing output (unless you manual embrace, then see #2).
    2. When you move, your fairy follows BEHIND you, not with you. If you are too slow in moving from the side to the middle, fairy is stopping to cure, or you just don't move far enough into the center, your fairy just got hit with slow.
    3. Placing Eos in the center only gets hit with negligible damage (sustain at worst, but nothing a Succor won't fix) and weight, but she's placed so not moving.
    4. If off to the sides too much when repelled, fairies do not float off the side of the map. She will fall in this instance unlike The Navel and no longer able to cure your party. Good job.
    Well done sir. You've correctly nailed every irrelevant detail as it pertains to a healer vs. Demon Wall.

    Even if you gear blows and you are forced to face the bees, just manually cast Embrace (it's loads better that way in any raid situation). Your fairy isn't going to fall off unless you fall behind the dodge rotations, and you'll probably die or get hit by the goo if you keep that up.
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    Last edited by FinagleABagel; 11-19-2013 at 07:24 AM.

  9. #19
    Player Whippet's Avatar
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    Maple Flavor
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    Balmung
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    Conjurer Lv 51
    Making Eos tank bees is fun tho :P
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  10. #20
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    XNihili's Avatar
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    Mewchat Bogz
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    Ragnarok
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    Warrior Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by Whippet View Post
    He's right if YOU need to heal pre bees theres a problem

    Eos or Selene can solo heal while you nuke
    What equipement do you need for Eos to be able to solo heal ?
    Mine didn't manage and I had to cast a bunch but I have only 2 DL (body and legs).
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