People who say's WoW had a better launch then this game makes me laugh ........

[Randalthor]

Campaigns: Two
Lvl-Cap Dungeons: Scholomance, Stratholme living, Stratholme undead, Upper Blackrock Spire, Lower Blackrock Spire,
Single Boss Raids: Onyxia
Raids: Molten Core
PvP: Open World PVP (no battlegrounds on launch).

Vs

Campaigns: One
Lvl-Cap Dungeons: Wanderers Palace, Amdapor Keep
Single Boss Raids: Ifrit HM, Garuda HM, Titan HM
Raids: Binding Coil
PvP: None

Don't forget to mention the wide array of gear that was available. The end game gear in FFXIV is a joke compared to what was available then. Myth gear with the same stats as Allagan gear? Awesome. +1 Relic weapon that can be earned through smashing your head against WP is on par with TURN 5 of Coils? That sounds smart.

WoW had such a variety of gear, MC had 10 bosses that dropped 10-15 different types of gear each? You had additional equipment slots, like back.

WoW had random blues that would drop from trash mobs. WoW had quests that depended on defeating certain end game bosses that weren't part of the main chain.

All I ask of FFXIV is some diversity in their gear, and not this garbage that we got thrown at launch. I wish they would just come out and say that they rushed a game to market and that they are going to finish their gear system soon.

[Baneus]

Don't forget to mention the wide array of gear that was available. The end game gear in FFXIV is a joke compared to what was available then. Myth gear with the same stats as Allagan gear? Awesome. +1 Relic weapon that can be earned through smashing your head against WP is on par with TURN 5 of Coils? That sounds smart.

WoW had such a variety of gear, MC had 10 bosses that dropped 10-15 different types of gear each? You had additional equipment slots, like back.

WoW had random blues that would drop from trash mobs. WoW had quests that depended on defeating certain end game bosses that weren't part of the main chain.

All I ask of FFXIV is some diversity in their gear, and not this garbage that we got thrown at launch. I wish they would just come out and say that they rushed a game to market and that they are going to finish their gear system soon.

Let's not forget the attunements/quest chains that were used to extend the gametime required to get into the WoW 40 man raids. Let's bring those into FFfor those people that are complaining they have nothing to do

[Rochetm]

Don't forget to mention the wide array of gear that was available. The end game gear in FFXIV is a joke compared to what was available then. Myth gear with the same stats as Allagan gear? Awesome. +1 Relic weapon that can be earned through smashing your head against WP is on par with TURN 5 of Coils? That sounds smart.

WoW had such a variety of gear, MC had 10 bosses that dropped 10-15 different types of gear each? You had additional equipment slots, like back.

WoW had random blues that would drop from trash mobs. WoW had quests that depended on defeating certain end game bosses that weren't part of the main chain.

All I ask of FFXIV is some diversity in their gear, and not this garbage that we got thrown at launch. I wish they would just come out and say that they rushed a game to market and that they are going to finish their gear system soon.

yeah all that spirit gear for warriors and rogues was awesome...

[HealBus]

Are we really comparing a launch of a current gen game to one 9 years ago?

I think WoW blows it out of the water considering the technology (lol dialup WoW has similar responsiveness as broadband ff14) and industry standard at the time.

[BlueMage]

Let's not forget the attunements/quest chains that were used to extend the gametime required to get into the WoW 40 man raids. Let's bring those into FFfor those people that are complaining they have nothing to do

Isn't that FFXIV's main storyline?

[Billie21]

I never compared FFXIV's launch with other mmos.
I found that FFXIV had a pretty good launch (yes, they had this big server full/crashes problems, but they dealt with it pretty fast, as OP said). I was pleasantly surprised by the lack of bugs, the game was generally functionning. As for maintenance, I am lucky enough not to be in a timezone where the times for maintenance are a problem.

So yeah, all in all, I'd consider it a good launch.
Instead of plain bugs, it's design/coding issues that we have to deal with, sadly.

[midnitdragoon]

WoW was a big mess when it first launched. you couldnt log in because of the server load...the forums were full of people complaining that they took a day off from work but couldnt play etc etc. it was nuts. FFXIV is leaps and bounds better at launch than WoW was.

[Reslin]

WoW was a big mess when it first launched. you couldnt log in because of the server load...the forums were full of people complaining that they took a day off from work but couldnt play etc etc. it was nuts. FFXIV is leaps and bounds better at launch than WoW was.

People also forget all the people that had issues with falling under the world and also the dreaded loot bug which forced you at times to log out. There was a chance everytime you looted a copper node and an npc. After awhile they fixed it happening on npcs but the copper node bug existed for years.

Don't forget to mention the wide array of gear that was available. The end game gear in FFXIV is a joke compared to what was available then. Myth gear with the same stats as Allagan gear? Awesome. +1 Relic weapon that can be earned through smashing your head against WP is on par with TURN 5 of Coils? That sounds smart.

WoW had such a variety of gear, MC had 10 bosses that dropped 10-15 different types of gear each? You had additional equipment slots, like back.

WoW had random blues that would drop from trash mobs. WoW had quests that depended on defeating certain end game bosses that weren't part of the main chain.

All I ask of FFXIV is some diversity in their gear, and not this garbage that we got thrown at launch. I wish they would just come out and say that they rushed a game to market and that they are going to finish their gear system soon.

By diversity you mean the gear you used from MC drops if you didn't get lucky/have enough DKP to get your main set pieces? You mean the diversity of having to get scraps because you couldn't get your specific class drops? Please. If you didn't raid your end game set was dungeon gear and that was it. Only 8% of the players had something better than Dungeon Gear. The rest of the population was stuck with it. Casuals on this game can progress further than you can in vanilla wow. There's WP gear, AK Gear, Dark Light, Vanya, Allagan, and Myth gear.

Oh, I guess there was crafted gear like "Stormshroud" but that was a pre-cursor to dungeon gear. Even the first "Dungeon set." was superior to the gear crafters can craft. At least our crafters can make stuff better than most of the stuff the drops in dungeons. Did I mention the crafted gear had less than four pieces? The last piece came out quite a bit later!

Campaigns: Two
Lvl-Cap Dungeons: Scholomance, Stratholme living, Stratholme undead, Upper Blackrock Spire, Lower Blackrock Spire,
Single Boss Raids: Onyxia
Raids: Molten Core
PvP: Open World PVP (no battlegrounds on launch).

Vs

Campaigns: One
Lvl-Cap Dungeons: Wanderers Palace, Amdapor Keep
Single Boss Raids: Ifrit HM, Garuda HM, Titan HM
Raids: Binding Coil
PvP: None

You also forgot Castrum Meridium and Praetorium. If you're capped on myth those are options if you're bored of the other dungeons. You also don't mention how "Scholomance, Stratholme living, Stratholme undead, Upper Blackrock Spire, Lower Blackrock Spire" all had a piece here and there for your dungeon set. Should we have had 5 dungeons instead of AK each dropping one or two pieces of ilvl60 gear? Once you got the pieces of gear you need you stop running it. Even after you get all your ilvl 60 gear WP and AK are still worth running.