Market Wards, enough is enough

[Reika]

Which is why they made Abyssea right? Because it's not something the fans, the majority wanted? It's the same company with the general same development team. SE has proven they'll do what the fans wanted but most fans and players aren't realizing that they're working on the market wards system and they're both generally the same thing, MW only lacks certain features and it was even stated an AH won't SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS INSTANTLY LIKE PEOPLE STILL SEEM TO THINK.

too bad people don't always know what they REALLY want...

[Sorel]

My version of Renta's list, added to, and re-prioritized:

1. Fix Seek Item, thus allowing 'buy orders'
2. Balancing of gil MIMO by introducing gil sinks
3. Balancing of item MIMO by introducing item sinks
4. Addition of comprehensive price history
5. Stabilization of systemic issues (i.e. 'crashing') regarding rendering of NPC retainers (by reorganization of the markets, changing to menu-driven system, reducing poly count on retainers, or some other method)

I think I can be down with this.

As far as the item version of money-in-money-out is concerned, that is a bit of a problem we have here in FF14. EVE Online deals with this problem fairly easily - everyone's stuff gets blown to smithereens so often, you're likely to buy a lot of replacements. Hardly anything is really permanent. Of course, in FF14, we can't just go around blowing everyone's gear up. That would be totally wrong.

If we had some kind of desynth option, or some way to consume items that no one wants, then that might help.

I don't think "item destruction" would be that wrong. We have a durability system. As long as we can bazaar and trade items with less than 100% durability (not sell to NPC), the players can establish their own market for them. Add the ability to desynth those same items, and we have a very organic and effective way of removing items from the economy.

This would give players 4 options when an item is less then 100% durability:

1. Discard the item and buy a new one.
2. Have the item repaired by a PC or NPC.
3. Sell the item to a PC.
4. Desynth the item for raw materials.

Options #1 & #4 removes the item from the economy. Option #3 gives another player an equal opportunity to remove the item from the economy if he so chooses.

The Development Team can also introduce enemies with a set of "Break" skills that can bring an item's durability down to 0 to help accelerate the development of this market.

[Seif]

Honestly if you need to write more than 2 sentences to explain how it works it's less handy than a proper AH.
MW will NEVER be better than a real AH. Never ever.

Now it's working like an abandoned failed game design idea that's trying to cater to player's AH demands but as a result it's just a mess of menus.

The good thing about an AH is that everyone knew instantly how it works. Looking for zombies with stars above their heads is about as natural as poking my eye with a fork.

[Wolfie]

Honestly if you need to write more than 2 sentences to explain how it works it's less handy than a proper AH.
MW will NEVER be better than a real AH. Never ever.

Now it's working like an abandoned failed game design idea that's trying to cater to player's AH demands but as a result it's just a mess of menus.

The good thing about an AH is that everyone knew instantly how it works. Looking for zombies with stars above their heads is about as natural as poking my eye with a fork.

And people seem to be confusing a passable system with a good system. Yeah, you can sell and buy things from market wards. That doesn't mean it's as good as already existing systems, or as good as it could be if it didn't use retainers or rendered shops. It just means it does the bare minimum to be functional.

[Kurokikaze]

Unfortunately that level of critical thinking is not allowed on these boards.

[Wolfie]

No, because critical thinking and thorough, objective analysis is "just your opinion".

[Kurokikaze]

No, because critical thinking and thorough, objective analysis is "just your opinion".

rofl exactly.

[Sorel]

Honestly if you need to write more than 2 sentences to explain how it works it's less handy than a proper AH.

We've had to read at least 7 pages of articles to understand the EVE market systems. By your rule, that would make that system not a proper AH.

Actually, by your rule, the only proper AH would be in World Of Warcraft. I guess one could argue that, but I personally wouldn't.

[Kurokikaze]

We've had to read at least 7 pages of articles to understand the EVE market systems. By your rule, that would make that system not a proper AH.

ITP: Making something harder to use makes it better.

[Cairdeas]

We've had to read at least 7 pages of articles to understand the EVE market systems. By your rule, that would make that system not a proper AH.

Actually, by your rule, the only proper AH would be in World Of Warcraft. I guess one could argue that, but I personally wouldn't.

I'd argue that if WoW system didnt have timed bidding as an option blizzard wouldn't have called it an auction house.