Wanderer's Palace Discrimation

[Kaloran]

If I get DF wp group with MNK I would instant quit . rather take a 15 min debuff and watch TV than group with MNK .

Your math needs review...

[jomoru]

Any Monks here also facing discrimination for this? This may apply to SMN / DRG and for AK too. Its always "LF BARD/BLM DPS" in shout, fc, or LS. It takes me hours to find a party but even that, I'm constantly getting kicked in WP after 1 run. My average runs are 25 minutes and even my fc's officers kicked me bc the runs are supposed to take 10 minutes. I'm using the 50 and 130 potency aoes but seems like it's not enough apparently.

On my server I've seen SMN burn Wp runs all summoners, no tanks, No heals.

[magicninja999]

OPTIMAL setup for a WP SR is PLD, BRD, BLM, WHM.... sorry if people get butt hurt, that's just the way it is... I have tried running with other jobs, a geared WAR can sub for a PLD but that's about it. If you don't run a BRD for songs then after pulls you are waiting around for 3 mins for mana, OR you PLD goes oom during pulls and BLM pulls hate and dies, WHM goes oom trying to heal BLM and PLD, PLD dies, WHM dies, 4th guy is sitting there thinking, man these people suck.... so ya

[EasymodeX]

OPTIMAL setup for a WP SR is PLD, BRD, BLM, WHM....
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If you don't run a BRD for songs then after pulls you are waiting around for 3 mins for mana, OR you PLD goes oom during pulls

1. Your optimal setup is correct for generally accurate reasons.

2. The magnitude of mana management for the Paladin is pretty far off of what you're claiming. As long as the PLD knows wtf they're doing, they can adapt to not having a bard song and will only have to wait around for mana for ~15 seconds max during the entire run. However, this does require a learning curve.

The overall lighter strain on PLD mana management also enables them to use more sprint, though, which also reduces total clear time by a few seconds -- probably 10-15s from that component.

A total ~30-45s penalty for not having barsong for the PLD is not going to make or break a WP run, however.

[Mekhana]

Give us DRGs and Monks better aoe. Problem fixed.

[T0rin]

Monk has bad AoE. Dragoon has 'ok' AoE. Bard has 'ok' AoE, but has Ballad, so because everyone runs a Paladin, they get a pass.

WP is just a bunch of AoE. If you can't do it well, you don't get preferred treatment in going there. People want the fastest, easiest runs, that is no surprise.

Monk, and to some degree Dragoon, have the AoE they do because they have good ST damage. You can't have everything. Sorry, the primary dungeon for farming philo right now is AoE-centric, it won't always be that way. But, for the time being, if you are a Monk, you are ill-prepared to perform as well as other classes in WP.

As an SMN, to some degree, I feel your pain. I get stereotyped in much the same way as Monk, though a bit less deserving of it.

At some point in the future, I'm sure there will be some 'prime dungeon' for farming of some other currency, and it will be a bunch of ST fights. All the BLMs and BRDs will be whining about how they can't get a group, blah blah blah, while the monks are all sitting pretty.

[Reiterpallasch]

Wanna be "elitist" prick.

Somebody says they don't like to play with MNKs, so you instantly attack and insult them? Absolutely disgusting.

[Roy_M]

I believe every DPS it s worthy in it s special way, my main/favorite DPS it s SMN but I enjoy BLM too I use it as my "relax" job since it s pretty much press a macro and let the numbers flow LOL!. My second Char main is BRD not because it s OP I like my brd for how you can use it and moves. My third char it s a SCH and even when people rather run as whm if they have a sch I rather SCH everyday. Even that I have Relic+1 on my first 2 chars I can t care less about SR people worry so much about clearing shit ASAP and 2 min later whinning about they have NOTHING else to do for the whole week lol but it s their choice I guess. Altho I understand if people don t want certain classes for certain situation as you choose a job to use people have the right to choose the job they want into their group/party to do stuff with don t expect to be loved by everyone all the time because you want to stick with 1 role/job forever when others rather pick another one, it s just "preference".

[Roy_M]

As many mentioned it s better to build your own group or start making friends to go with than randoms/DF forever in the long run it s more enjoyable to play with people you like even if it takes "longer" than speedrunning forever with people bitching about everything all the time. GL to your Mnk and the other "unwanted" jobs you guys have no problem it s just that AoE isn t your thing as the other jobs might not be as powerfull on 1 target as you guys are so cheers

[ZodiacSoldier]

Yea general consensus is PLD, BLM, BRD and WHM. PLD is the preferred tank for everything, but a WAR works as well. BLM is required for AOE sleep and Flares. BRD for mana songs and they also do good AOE DPS as well. WHM is preferred because of Holy Spam, although I think SCH would work too. For me runs are usually 13 min with a random pug group. But the fastest WP SR is a little over 8min, they have a youtube video up somewhere, pretty crazy. If you dont take a BLM / BRD, it can push the time to like 25min or so which is double the time so most people dont like it. My only advise is to gear up a PLD, BLM, BRD or WHM just for you weekly Myth farming.