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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowen View Post
    Now, I'm no expert, but I think it may be similar to how Ifrit is able to 'brainwash' with his blue flames. I think the stranger thing is how Haldrath broke the spell in the first place.
    Perhaps it might be closer to Bahamut's ability to manipulate and control Nael van Darnus in 1.0
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    If Niddy was a Primal, it'd be Tempering.
    But as he isn't... it must be their magic (dragon innate or not).

    The dragon-kin are smart and can cast magic it seems, according to the story-line quest, and can transform themselves to looking like Elezen.
    (Or was it the other way round - wasn't too clear).
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    Quote Originally Posted by VisRalis View Post
    If Niddy was a Primal, it'd be Tempering.
    But as he isn't... it must be their magic (dragon innate or not).

    The dragon-kin are smart and can cast magic it seems, according to the story-line quest, and can transform themselves to looking like Elezen.
    (Or was it the other way round - wasn't too clear).
    its the other way around. the false inquisitor used glamour to temporarily change his form.
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    Well, technically, they don't so much brainwash as they completely overwhelm with emotion. Need to remember that when... Well, you're L38 I won't spoil who tells you that, but when you talk to someone else they mention how he ALMOST was taken over by Niddhogg, in his moment of weakness he could feel all the rage and hathred of the dragon, emotions which far overwhelmed his mind and he risked forgetting who himself was.
    Same thing that happens to a second person, who essentially begs for power in name of revenge in exchange for servitude.

    Also need to remember one particular side-quest wherein you need to deal with a heretic that's imprisioned, who's gone downright insane saying his masters demand some sort of sacrifice and he wants you to bring him some... I forget what sort of animal so he can burn it in offering (guard tells you to bring him a rat, though, to shut him up).

    Yet, the other heretics you deal with don't behave quite this way, though, they're pretty sane if not... Exactly as much zealots as every Ishgardian is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saber_alter View Post
    its the other way around. the false inquisitor used glamour to temporarily change his form.
    Sweet-Twelves combined, then it'd be awesome to be a heretic then hahaha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowen View Post
    Now, I'm no expert, but I think it may be similar to how Ifrit is able to 'brainwash' with his blue flames. I think the stranger thing is how Haldrath broke the spell in the first place.
    The 'spell' was probably fear. After all who wouldn't be scared of a giant Wyrm while you're on a mountain with little to no place to hide. Nidhogg is on an entire different level from the other dragons, they may have fought several in their journey to establish a new home (our speculation for the Ishgard foundation is a faction of Elezen leaving the Shroud before building Gelmorra which eventually leads to founding Gridania). And who knows if Nidhogg was known about before the battle took place. As for the dragon's control on Estinein I think it may be more tied into the Wyrm's Eye and some kind of power Nidhogg may have over his lost eye. Not exactly tempering but influences on the mind, a common comparison is Bahamut's influence over Nael van Darnus.

    As for 'Heretics' and being on the Dragons' side in this "war," I think its more of a choosing. Whether its out of fear of the Dragons winning or people themselves wanting to turn against their own, traitors always pop up even with such propaganda that Ishgard puts out.
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    Do remember that the term "Dragoon" is an English colloquialism for the job/class known as "Dragon Knight," in its direct translation.




    According to Alberic, Azure Dragoons are Dragon Knights (Ishgardian spear knights) whom take the power of the Dragons into themselves, while fighting off and steeling themselves to the mind influencing side effects that the Dragons can cause; with JUSTICE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WellGramarye View Post
    ...whom take the power of the Dragons into themselves, while fighting off and steeling themselves to the mind influencing side effects that the Dragons can cause; with JUSTICE.
    In other words, we're full of awesome
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skies View Post
    Also need to remember one particular side-quest wherein you need to deal with a heretic that's imprisioned, who's gone downright insane saying his masters demand some sort of sacrifice and he wants you to bring him some
    I recently did this quest and I do believe that his particular case can be interpreted differently. The NPC there spoke something to the effect that normal seeming folk show their colors after being interegated by an inquisitor. I took that to be an aftereffect of extreme psychological torture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboPadre View Post
    I recently did this quest and I do believe that his particular case can be interpreted differently. The NPC there spoke something to the effect that normal seeming folk show their colors after being interegated by an inquisitor. I took that to be an aftereffect of extreme psychological torture.
    When I did that quest, I was so intrigued by that character - secretly I hope we get captured and interrogated to some degree in Ishgard. I want to see what happens!

    There is also a Levequest in Mor Dhona where you fight a "heretic". The leve suggests that one of three possibilities for the heretic's motives is because of what he witnessed in the interrogation chambers. He was also a former dragoon.

    Ishgard seems really warped to me. I eagerly anticipate the day the gates open.
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