Not another DPS thread...well, ok maybe sorta?

[Aphrini]

Ok so here is something I wanted to throw out there hold on a sec let me put on my flame retardant suit...ok. So the debate WHM DPS vs WHM no DPS is CLEARLY a sore spot and regardless of anyone's opinion. However what about the reverse DPS helping to heal?

In FFXI it was common for BLM, RDM, SMN to heal in the pt, obviously not primarily but on occassion as support for the healer when things were extra scary or tight. I have noticed that in FFXIV so, so many times the DPS refuse to heal under any situation except themselves being hurt. If a WHM should DPS should not then a BLM help heal in a situation where it is warrented. I play this with my wife (Aphrini is a girl clearly the player is a guy ) and as a blm she always heals when things get crazy i.e. a huge hit to the tank or major AOE to the pt, this helps stabalize the fight and because she has endless mp it helps reserve my mp pool. Is this not ok in FFXIV or taboo?

[Aphrini]

I say this because I have been in sooo many pt where I die for whatever reason and have to walk back and I watch my Tank's hp drop and drop til they die knowing full well the blm or smn in the pt has the ability to cure. It happened just last night, I got tarded and hit by Tonberry Stabber guy and then killed by another hit. Regradless I die and start to walk back in a pt with both a blm and a smn, they sit there and let that Tank die, not a single heal went off, they clearly had the mana and the ability to win that pull and instead they all wiped. It happens all the time. Is the idea of DPS helping heal taboo and not ok in this game or is this just a lack of skill based off of powering through the game through fates etc??

[NovaUltimatum]

I main BLM and have found situations where healers go down and if the tank is still up I often will spam Physick, but 90% of the time this happens I found the potency of my healing is just not enough for lvl 50+ content to prevent a wipe.

My stats are:

STR 89
DEX 205
VIT 338
INT 470
MND 148
PIE 243

So as you can see my MND is really not helping much at all. I think it's better for DPS jobs to maximize their attack stats, to help keep fight times shorter. That way we can reduce the risks of slip ups like healers/tanks dying. In regards to helping to boost the whm's curing on bosses I have seen some WARs who have a pretty high HP buffer that can help get recovered...but again, it's usually not worth the effort given how weak our curing is.

[FinagleABagel]

The reverse isn't really true. The one exception I can see is with battle resurrection from a SMN. Other than that the heals are so weak that it's usually better to just focus on ending the battle.

Also, it's not a fair comparison - DPS have no mechanic to change their throughput between heals and DPS. Both healing jobs have Cleric Stance. With that stance you can match or exceed most DPS int ratings and then add another 10% onto that damage. You can't possibly expect a DPS to match that kind of massive shift.

As a healer, you have a wider range of responsibility and you are expected to execute pretty much flawlessly. It's a higher bar, but it's something I think most of us who have played healer in the past expect (and enjoy).

[Pinworms]

Yeah my heals only heal for around 250 hp if I remember correctly, and it's a spam fest to try to keep up with the inc damage which to no avail..I lose.

Also...healers aren't expected to do do DD nor is there a canned healers "should" DD. When I eventually roll heals I won't be doing any damage unless I'm bored...and that's when I will go back to my blm.

[Ghishlain]

The difference between here and XI is the fact that magic classes like BLM and SMN had the tools to actually heal in a somewhat effective manner in XI thanks to Cure Potency equipment in the pre-Healing Skill update (not so much now that Healing Skill has such a huge bearing on how potent your Cures are in the XI universe).

There will be times where a heal from a DPS class at a critical time will prevent a wipe, but those opportunities should be few and far in between. It's not to say that a player should not be adaptable during this time, but it certainly isn't their primary purpose as a 200 heal shouldn't be that game breaking in the grand scheme of things of the end game. These situation arise more often in early game dungeons when any class with a heal can effectively heal any Duty Finder instance.

[Aphrini]

this actually makes much more sense however in the cases where I die, cause I do lol why not heal the tank at all?

[NovaUltimatum]

this actually makes much more sense however in the cases where I die, cause I do lol why not heal the tank at all?

If it's a situation where we know from experience that our really limited healing is not going to cut it, we're not going to delay the inevitable. However if you're talking about those rare situations where we can prevent a wipe, it's going to come down to the individual player's own effort to the party and/or their experience of healing as a last resort.

[Aphrini]

I supposed you are better than the ones I am talking about then, it was trash mob pull WP but to your point yes your heals are very weak especially when compared to blm in FFXI I just needed to know

[Whippet]

Hey Aphirini been a while from the SMN LS on cerberus back in XI