Monks very weak. Need rebalance

[neoreturn]

Yep.

That's my main issue with logrep though -- it's accumulates DPS on multiple targets completely incorrectly. Extremely annoying, because you have to go back and guesstimate the actual fight length then divide the total damage. Don't know why the author of the parser summed the DPS that way. So silly.

That's I am thinking the guy claim he did 300 DPS on Titan was using that accumulates DPS. The people using this parser only tell people the accumulates DPS.

[EasymodeX]

Yes, Titan shows separate DPS entries for (a) Titan, (b), Titan's Heart, (c) Gaols, (d) Bombs (if you ever hit bombs).

The fundamental issue being that each separate entry is mostly accurate, but adding them directly to each other is 100% wrong. As a generic example of a Titan parse:

time = 9 minutes (but logrep doesn't say whether that's 8:45 or 9:10 or what)

Total | 109600 damage | Titan Boss | 510 DPS

You | 90000 damage | Titan | 170 DPS
You | 12600 damage | Titan's Heart | 220 DPS
You | 7000 damage | Gaol | 120 DPS


Your actual DPS in this scenario is roughly 209, not 510. The other part I'm not sure about is how it calculates the gap when you stop attacking Titan -- does it stop the "clock" for the Titan DPS line, or not? E.g. total fight length is 8:45, but only 7:50 was spent actually attacking Titan. Is the DPS number listed in logrep based on the first and last attack on Titan (8:45), or based on the actual amount of time attacking Titan (7:50)?

Don't know.

The most accurate would be taking the total 109600 damage and dividing by the total fight time (8:45). Problem is that logrep only has "9 minutes" as the fight time, without the # of seconds >_<.

[NoctisUmbra]

MNK isn't over-powered or under-powered. It is the DPS job with the highest DPS ceiling, and therefore has the most potential to perform the best DPS in most content. Therefore any buffs to MNK DPS would be counter-productive to the balance of this game.

That pretty much sums up the opposition for this thread which claims MNK is very weak and needs a re-balance.

That's I am thinking the guy claim he did 300 DPS on Titan was using that accumulates DPS. The people using this parser only tell people the accumulates DPS.

See, this is exactly what I addressed 2 pages ago in a long post using my personal logrep Titan parse as an example. Yet you replied to me simply saying that the parser was inaccurate because the DPS value is inaccurate. This is why I ask that you learn to read and understand people before you go around making posts.

I never suggested he/she actually did 300 DPS on Titan. I suggested why he/she may think that is the case by explaining how logrep works.

[neoreturn]

I just don't want hear you say MNK is DPS king or some word similar.
MNK is not even close to the DPS king. For AOE, every know Blm is the king.
For burst Dmg, Blm and DRG are all much higher than MNK. For a 5 min dummy single target, DRG isn't behind MNK.
MNK just a ok DPS without bringing much to team for pve and will get owned for pvp if there was no big change happened.

[NoctisUmbra]

I just don't want hear you say MNK is DPS king or some word similar.
MNK is not even close to the DPS king. For AOE, every know Blm is the king.
For burst Dmg, Blm and DRG are all much higher than MNK. For a 5 min dummy single target, DRG isn't behind MNK.
MNK just a ok DPS without bringing much to team for pve and will get owned for pvp if there was no big change happened.

MNK is best single target DPS. You see how you say BLM is the king for AoE. Yeah, MNK is the king for single target. That's how it is. If you say otherwise, you clearly don't know the job. I've played with the best of every job and have participated in extensive DPS testing for all of them.

For burst DPS, DRG starts out higher with it's cooldowns... perhaps. However, for any fight that will last longer than like 30 seconds, MNK will pass a DRG. Heck, if we're talking about both of them having all of their cooldowns, people severely underestimate Perfect Balance. Give MNK ID and it can have incredible burst DPS when it needs to as well.

For a 5 minute dummy single target DRG is nowhere near MNK. Nothing can beat an equivalently geared MNK on a dummy. Nothing. Unless you're going to be dumb and keep hitting the dummy after you run out of TP on MNK just to get to a 5 minute parse and suggest that is an accurate measure of their DPS... lol. BLM from what I can tell gets the closest to MNK DPS on a dummy parse. DRG isn't even close.

That you would even say that MNK is just an "OK DPS" speaks volumes about how little you know.



Not even using ID or Fracture in that parse.

[Allyrion]

For a 5 minute dummy single target DRG is nowhere near MNK. Nothing can beat an equivalently geared MNK on a dummy. Nothing. Unless you're going to be dumb and keep hitting the dummy after you run out of TP on MNK just to get to a 5 minute parse and suggest that is an accurate measure of their DPS... lol. BLM from what I can tell gets the closest to MNK DPS on a dummy parse. DRG isn't even close.

Summoners may or may not be better than us.
My impression is they are pretty close in single target to monks if not better. It's just very hard to find good ones.
I'd like to see where they stand.

[Phai]

Monk is insane single target dps! If u dont know this just go back to nerf everyone post's an be a fluffy troll, end of story!

[NoctisUmbra]

Summoners may or may not be better than us.
My impression is they are pretty close in single target to monks if not better. It's just very hard to find good ones.
I'd like to see where they stand.

Yeah... I typically try to avoid talking about SMN just because I never got to personally test the job thoroughly, what with its DPS being heavily based on DoTs, etc. That being said, SMN is definitely capable of very good DPS and I wouldn't be surprised if it rivaled MNK in the hands of a capable player.

[Syrus718]

Anyone who doubts A monks true DPS is either repeating what the first idiot who couldn't play monk said or just trolling. its rare that I get out DPS by any class on a single target as a monk even if I'm late to the party I still out Aggro so many on a regular basis and just watch health bars deplete

[Mihael_Longclaw]

Monk problems are not related to the literal damage we put out. There is no problem theree
We are a class that deals death by a million pin pricks.

It's not about the size it's how you use it!