Market Wards, enough is enough

[Gracious]

So then you aren't the target audience of my post.

People who crafted in XI are typically not the ones demanding an AH overhaul.

We ALL agree the Wards need to run more efficiently and search appropriately. There's no doubt about it.

I maxed out crafts in 11. I want an Auction House. One thing I do notice is this, on other threads players requesting things they would like to see implentied in the game aren't seen as demanding. I find it really odd that players that want an Auction House are classified as "demanding". There are players that want an Auction House not Market Wards. Auction House was voted 2nd highest to what players wanted to see implemented in the game. When I see threads like the above I simply don't agree. I don't want Market Wards at all. I know many people think that improving the market wards will make players like me agreeable to the MW system. I think it's a flawed, slow system; I don't want MW at all I want to see an AH.

[Shai]

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-Captain Murphy

[Shai]

The bottom line is that if you want an Auction House you should start listing real reasons it is better than a Market Ward. You see, I've listed reasons that the current system is better for the economy by make it ridiculously hard for RMT (or any player driven corporation) to run a monopoly on goods. This is good for everyone. It's a benefit to the economy where the Auction House had failed.

Auction House could be designed to "trustbust" but we already have a Market Ward.

Stop saying "I want one" and start listing explicit reasons why one would be better. You shave off 30-60 seconds of your time finding/placing an item. I get that much, but it's not a good trade off for me to just hand over the economy to RMT exploitation. Some people pointed out a laughable list of pros for AH that could all be achieved by a Market Ward system.

Why build a redundant system when the current one is capable of functioning the same way, or better overall for the economy (at the cost of a small amount of convenience)? That's what the real issue should be.

You want one isn't an argument. No one cares about that, including SE.
What does an AH provide that makes you want it and why can't the Wards facilitate that same need?

[Shikyo]

isn't this more of a server side problem?
i mean blaming the wards is the easiest way to find an excuse to implement an AH, but what if the AH crashed due to a server problem and your items would be gone for good?

let's first let them fix this crapy server issues before blaming it on anything else.

Ah is a better system all out man i hope they realize this soon retainer wards crashing isnt the only problem with this system...

You should be able to find what u want and buy it on the spot, not find the item zone until u look through each retainer see who has nq or hq because its not shown on the list, then buy.... Its like we have taken a step backwards and they called it innovation?.... how could anyone not see this.

Then you have the blind loyalist that are like brainwashed by the word new and w/e SE pulls out they are greased up and ready to take with a smile, but new isnt always better, man sheesh.
If new means you have to jump through extra freakin loops to get the same results as old f that i rather have the old way damn...
If you feel me hit the thumb, something tells me i'm not just crazy and the only one that see's this.
Loyalist dont bother i have enough on ignor list... just open your eyes O.O

[Shai]

Ah is a better system all out man i hope they realize this soon retainer wards crashing isnt the only problem with this system...

You should be able to find what u want and buy it on the spot, not find the item zone until u look through each retainer see who has nq or hq because its not shown on the list, then buy.... Its like we have taken a step backwards and they called it inovation?.... how could anyone not see this.

Then you have the blind loyallist that are like brainwashed by the word new, but new isnt always better man sheesh
If new means you have to jump through extra freakin loops to get the same results as old f that i rather have the old way damn...

So you are saying it's better because it's slightly faster and you stand in one spot.
Go read some of my last 4 posts.

I know lots of people don't care about handing over the reins to RMT, but I do and so does SE.

Give me another reason AH is better than it's marginally faster and you don't have to walk 50 yalms.
You want SE to listen to you, I suggest you all think of something they haven't and fast.

[Gracious]

The bottom line is that if you want an Auction House you should start listing real reasons it is better than a Market Ward. You see, I've listed reasons that the current system is better for the economy by make it ridiculously hard for RMT (or any player driven corporation) to run a monopoly on goods. This is good for everyone. It's a benefit to the economy where the Auction House had failed.

Auction House could be designed to "trustbust" but we already have a Market Ward.

Stop saying "I want one" and start listing explicit reasons why one would be better. You shave off 30-60 seconds of your time finding/placing an item. I get that much, but it's not a good trade off for me to just hand over the economy to RMT exploitation. Some people pointed out a laughable list of pros for AH that could all be achieved by a Market Ward system.

Why build a redundant system when the current one is capable of functioning the same way, or better overall for the economy (at the cost of a small amount of convenience)? That's what the real issue should be.

You want one isn't an argument. No one cares about that, including SE.
What does an AH provide that makes you want it and why can't the Wards facilitate that same need?

Why do you think this game is failing? It's because the players of this game didn't like what SE was doing and felt they went backwards instead of forwards in some area's. Market Wards is backwards. What you are saying is that SE doesn't care about it's player base, since a HUGE majority asked for an Auction House and they aren't even working on one. You are right. I think many players feel SE is not listening to us. SE doesn't listen we'll leave. I only stuck around this long because I like the game with all but a few exceptions. I vote with the majority on some issue's that need to be fixed. Auction House is one of them. All I can say is this: the FIX is an Auction House, and Guild Wars 2 is looking better and better to me.

[Tiraelina]

So you are saying it's better because it's slightly faster and you stand in one spot.
Go read some of my last 4 posts.

I know lots of people don't care about handing over the reins to RMT, but I do and so does SE.

Give me another reason AH is better than it's marginally faster and you don't have to walk 50 yalms.
You want SE to listen to you, I suggest you all think of something they haven't and fast.

I suggest you think of whats going to happen to the market ward system when servers have more than 1000 players, or are we fine having 5 different battlecraft wards and potentially even more crashing?

[Rentahamster]

I get that much, but it's not a good trade off for me to just hand over the economy to RMT exploitation.

In your opinion, do you believe that the makers of EVE Online "handed their economy over to RMT exploitation:?

[Shai]

Why do you think this game is failing? It's because the players of this game didn't like what SE was doing and felt they went backwards instead of forwards in some area's. Market Wards is backwards. What you are saying is that SE doesn't care about it's player base, since a HUGE majority asked for an Auction House and they aren't even working on one. You are right. I think many players feel SE is not listening to us. SE doesn't listen we'll leave. I only stuck around this long because I like the game with all but a few exceptions. I vote with the majority on some issue's that need to be fixed. Auction House is one of them. All I can say is this: the FIX is an Auction House, and Guild Wars 2 is looking better and better to me.

I've addressed this many times. TO YOU SPECIFICALLY.

1. Lack of AH is not causing this game to fail. Maybe it's why you don't play or will leave, but you're 1 person who is stuck on a name rather than what the system does. Market Wards is capable of doing the same thing AND blocking RMT from controlling the economy. An AH could be built that does the same thing, but why build a new system when the functioning system is fully capable of facilitating ALL your needs. It's a waste of time, money and manpower.

2. The lack of usable economy was a severe issue in the first 2-3 months of this game because there was no effective way to find ANYTHING you wanted to buy. Therefore it was near impossible to sell ANYTHING you needed to sell. (Add to the fact that NPC'ng 20 items took about 35 minutes due to UI latency issues and you have a real worthless economy, don't you)? News flash: All those things have been fixed since January. This is just 1 aspect of the many failed systems that were in this game between Sept 22 and Christmas. If you want me to list them all I can, but it's a waste of my time, effort, money and manpower.

3. SE does care about its player base which is why they aren't about to hand the economy over from a player driven one to one controlled by a collection of people only interested in real world money that punish legitimate players. The Market system (by the way) was one of the lowest things people wanted changed. You keep saying AH is #2, but the economy (in the previous question) was 2nd to last. The polls reflect the feelings of people in January, before the economy had even taken hold, before the Item Search had been refined. People wanted the functionality of an Auction House, and now they have it. Poll players again and I'm personally sure AH would be a minority vote - especially if SE tells you how long it will take and all the things they'll have to stall in order to work on it and implement it.

Thinking the AH will turn this game around is ridiculous. It's one of the most preposterous statements I've ever heard.

Guild Wars 2 looks pretty good to me, too. What's your point?
SE doesn't care if you leave. Go ahead. You aren't threatening them.

When the game is fixed and everything runs smoothly, they'll re-launch on PS3 with tons of content and lure as many people back as they can. They'd like you back, but right now they don't really care what you do. You are not money in their pocket. The "AH or I quit" threat is as silly as thinking AH will fix everything wrong with the game.

Post some real reasons for an AH please.

[Shai]

In your opinion, do you believe that the makers of EVE Online "handed their economy over to RMT exploitation:?

EVE has an entirely different model. One that I'm not entirely familiar with except for the 2 outdated links you keep posting over and over and over and over like they explain anything.

I have said that you can build an Auction House that prevents some of the shortcuts RMT take to monopolize the economy, but we already have that in the Market Wards - so list some other things an Auction House would provide that it's worth reworking the entire economy to facilitate it.

I'm not saying an Auction House can't do what a Wards does. I'm saying the Wards is already doing it. Why change it? Why not just make Wards function correctly and not waste countless months re-designing a redundant system?

Can you answer that?